Domestic Department Proposal

Proposal for Domestic Policy

This proposal is based on the following goals:

1. Construction of Universal Suffrage
2. Construction of Wall Street ASAP
3. Construction of the military academy in our most potentially productive city.
4. A static national treasury of 1000 gold.

Universal Suffrage

This is the most complicated and resource intensive goal. Here is how I intend to accomplish it.

1. Change research goal to industrialization. The science rate should be adjusted so that we will get steam power in the least amount of time while still making 20+ gold/turn.
2. Switch PDX to palace construction, provided the time to build is at least 30 turns.
3. Spend only the gold that is beyond the 20 gold/turn.
4. Once steam power is researched, send all workers within 3 turns of reaching PDX there, and begin railroading and mining until we have maximum production and no starvation (it can be re-irrigated later).
5. Once industrialization is researched, switch PDX to factory, and rushing it if needed (probably will not be needed).
6. Switch PDX to coal plant. After one turn of construction, rush it. This is what we were saving our gold for.
7. Switch PDX to Universal suffrage, and continue using workers to optimize production.

Wall Street

Begin construction immediately in Fox's Nest. Simple enough.

Static National Treasury

As soon as the coal plant has been rushed in PDX, drop the science rate to 0%, make one citizen somewhere a scientist, and keep the tax rate up until we have 1000 gold. We should have finished Wall Street by now. The science rate can now be raised higher, because of the additional +50 gold/turn we will be receiving.

Military Academy

We need to do some research to discover which city would be best for this. I would not be opposed to waiting to build it in PDX after Universal Suffrage, but we may want it earlier. Suggestions please.

Please post your comments on this strategy.

I like this plan, swiftly getting to Industrialization will be a HUGE productivity booster as we will began to build Factories in our most productive cities.

Pollution will become a problem but only the Tree huggers, who might come up as a citizen group will be worried about this so long as we have enough workers to quickly get to polluted squares and take care of it.

As you requested eyrei industrialization will be researched after steam power.

We should pass a rule that we can't spend any gold from now on if it's cost will bring us lower than 1000, therefore we save gold for now, and then we allocate all else, the Culture Department is beginning of thinking that we should stop CAP to save our gold, but we have yet to decide and we can not promise that we will agree to this.

I disagree.

I think our research goal should be Electronics and the Hoover Dam, after Replacable Parts (for infantry). This will make us defensively secure for the long term, and with Hoover on this continent, ready to out produce our rivals.

I would welcome seeing the background reason why Universal Suffrage is critical?

Bill
...in PDX

Elelctronics, Im with Bill here.

Pollution will become a problem but only the Tree huggers, who might come up as a citizen group will be worried about this so long as we have enough workers to quickly get to polluted squares and take care of it.?

? Pollution is not something we can sweep up and wait for next time, pollution will become our problem when our people are dying in the streets from starvation, and killing what productivity we sacrificed them for.

In Industrial I generally go for rails, factories, hospitals then Theory of Evolution to jump to Hoover Dam. The period that the ToE is being built (not too long because of prebuild) I set science to 0 and concentrate on building factories and hospitals and getting the homeland completely developed. When Hoover Dam is completed the country takes off like a rocket.

Bill - Universal Suffrage is very important to Republics and Democracies so they can wage succesful wars. Even if we never declare war ourselves we will most assuredly be dragged into wars by the AI.

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
I disagree.

I think our research goal should be Electronics and the Hoover Dam, after Replacable Parts (for infantry). This will make us defensively secure for the long term, and with Hoover on this continent, ready to out produce our rivals.

I would welcome seeing the background reason why Universal Suffrage is critical?

Bill
...in PDX

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I intend to get both. I believe, though I am not 100% sure, that industrialization is a prerequisite for replaceable parts. My preference would be to make replaceable parts our goal after industrialization, and then scientific method. The AI will likely be researching communism and espionage while we are moving towards scientific method. About the time we finish universal suffrage, we will be ready for TOE, which we can build in the city we prepared for universal suffrage, which will have massive production. If we do not get industrialization, we cannot build factories and are far more likely to lose a wonder race. While building the TOE, we research something the AI already has, and time it to finish one turn before the TOE at which point we switch to atomic theory and electronics.

I like the ToE strategy. Hoover is important.
However I think Univ Sufferage is a lot more important to us for the reasons Shaitan stated above.
I'd like to point out that the high production cities may shift around a bit in a few turns with the completion of the FP in Thebes. Perhaps at that time we will want to build the Military Academy in Thebes or near there. This will get us Mil. Academy earlier and it may get to us a few turns into universal sufferage.

I'm Behind this plan 100%!

Originally posted by Shaitan
Bill - Universal Suffrage is very important to Republics and Democracies so they can wage succesful wars. Even if we never declare war ourselves we will most assuredly be dragged into wars by the AI.

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Actually I should have posed my question better, as I am well aware of the good effects of the wonder.

However, I was trying to get at two points:

1) It is more than possible to wage wars as a democracy, as long as you aren't institigating them all the time. I routinely take the path of depotism, republic, and democracy only. This is generally on Monarch level, so I defer to your demonstrated superior skills on Diety, but I don't think that applies to this game.

It does take a lot of culture and happiness, but we are showing approrpriate attention to those items.

Therefore, my concern was are we planning on giving in further to the warmongers among us who have already carved out chunks of our neighbors for future expansion?

2) Hoover is far more valuable on this large continent than any other wonder in this era. Obviously that is my opinion, but given the massive land mass we are on, I think it is pretty valid. Therefore we should focus our efforts on acquiring the techs needed.

Just my .02,

Bill

Originally posted by eyrei


I intend to get both. I believe, though I am not 100% sure, that industrialization is a prerequisite for replaceable parts.

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I don't have the game in front of me here at work....honest I don't , but I believe Electricity is the pre-req.

Bill

I understand you concern, Bill, but I fully intend to get every wonder available in this age. Like I said, about the time Universal Suffrage is complete, we could start on the TOE, which will catapult us two techs ahead, possibly to electronics. We will, however, need the cooperation of the science department. Strider has lent his support for the proposal above by setting our research to industrialization, and may be willing to follow through with scientific method and electronics.

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


I don't have the game in front of me here at work....honest I don't , but I believe Electricity is the pre-req.

Bill

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Isn't industrialization a prerequisite for electricity, though? I am also at work, so I am not sure. Would someone please check this?

Originally posted by eyrei


Isn't industrialization a prerequisite for electricity, though? I am also at work, so I am not sure. Would someone please check this?

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I believe steam power and medicine are the prereq's for electricity...maybe I haven't had my coffee though, so I hope someone will confirm.

Bill

I urge all to keep the CFC tech tree as a handy reference:
Civilization III: Online Tech Tree

Thanks, Chiefpaco! Yet, I still think we need to research industrialization first, as the AI will challenge us for Universal Suffrage. Those with steam power are probably already researching it. After that, though, they will likely work on communism and espionage, which will give us time to get scientific method first.

Again, I would point out that I think Steam - Electricity - Replaceable Parts is the route we should pursue. Universal Suffrage is rarely needed for non-warmongering countries.

I could see a counter argument that US is a good culture generator, but I would not want us to put our country at risk of military threat (due to being slow in acquisition of infantry) or of not gaining the Hoover Dam, which should be the final guarentee of victory.

Bill

I am a bit confused here. Are we debating the Domestic proposal or the science queue?

I would rather see wall street in a city other than Fox Nest, so our most productive city can again feed our military with up-to-date troops such as Cavalry and Riflemen. Or at least a provision to equal the production elsewhere.