offices in the new game

i think we will nead a list of officially approved offices for the game.
at the moment, every1 can open an office and the rpg will have the problem to decide which one really is an office and which one not.

i would like to see a kind on "list of offices" with the leaders and the helpers in that office as well as the responsibilities of that office. maybe a thread for it with one post for each office linking to the office thread and the info on the office (an office-registry?)

each office will belong to a department. the department leader can open new offices for his department and handles retirement-votes and approves leaders and deputies there.
if no request-thread or discussion thread is available for the office, those things are handled in the department-thread
the department should also link up its offices in his first post in the department thread.

census office
department: domestic
responsible for citizen registry and statistical information on it
leader: danke

history office
department: science
responsible for compiling a written hisory of the nation in a history thread (not statistics like now!).
leader: Ehecatl Atzin

statistics office
department: domestic
responsible for statistics in the game in the flow of time (this is what we call "historian" at the moment)
leader: daaraa

chat office
department: presidential
responsible for maintaining and operating the chat-channel
leader: disorganizer
helper: falcon02

cartographic office
department: domestic
resposible for maintaining a list of map, maybe also historical maps and things. the office will also receive requests for special maps and searches for citizens to draw them.
leader: octavian x
helpers: disorganizer
+ .... as many persons as wish to do maps ...

rpg office
department: presidential?
responsible for maintaining the flow and work in the rpg part of the game. this does not mean the infos are posted in here (for example the bank would go to a own citizen-thread). requests got there
leader: ?strider?
helpers:?

embassies
department: foreign affairs
responsible for maintaining a thread in a "foreign" nation (=forum). the department should hold a link to all embassy threads in the first post.
the embassador will be appointed by the department leaders.
the embassador can then appoint attaches
apolytonia: i volunteer as ambassador

reasons for having official offices compared to now:
* custom avatars for easy recognition and advertising
* gpt citizens get from their position in rpg

i changed some slightly, and its of course up to discussion.
i put the names in there we have at the moment.
i changed the historians position to a statistics-office (sorry daaraa), but that is what it is imho.
the mapping office is what is the geographical society now. i am the leader of the pgs, but i would prefer citizens only having one office position, so i think octavian should fit in there. if u prefer i of course will be there as leader, but i insist on having our #1 mapmaker as helper minimum.

I'd be glad to head up the Geographical Society next game. Maybe instead of the 'mapping office' it could be more like the geographical office, or the same Geographical Society.

Originally posted by disorganizer

history office
department: science
responsible for compiling a written hisory of the nation in a history thread (not statistics like now!).
leader: ?

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Ehecatl Atzin

the science department would have to decide finally, but if noone is against i will put you in...

octavian: i would like to call it an office as the "pgs" always looked like a citizen group more than like a official thread.

How about The Phoenatican Cartographic Office?

The new name of the nation being were Phoenatica is, of course.

rpg office
department: presidential?
responsible for maintaining the flow and work in the rpg part of the game. this does not mean the infos are posted in here (for example the bank would go to a own citizen-thread). requests got there
leader: ?strider?
helpers:?

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Im head Banker. See the Thread for whos in charge.
NOTE- Assistant bankers needed. Im just one macintosh obsessed freak. I cant handel 100+ peoples money.
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the office will be an organizational part not dealing with the details and doing.
i think the bankers, the traders and all those should be private organizations not associated with an governmental office...
but its up to strider(?) to set up the office...

i will change the post to "Cartographic office"

Not to throw a wrench in the works but I don't think any of this is necessary. All of the demi-positions functioned perfectly well without any of this. Binding these positions to a strict ruleset could also stiffle initiative if someone has a new idea for one of these side ventures in the game.

the problem is: everyone can declare and office as its not rule-based ;-)
could be a perfect example for a standard.
we need a rule for office-building cause the rpg offers mo money for an office than for others.

Okay, I hadn't thought of the RPG aspects. You're right - this would be best kept in the standards. This way all someone has to do if they want to start a new office is get a council sponsor (and make sure their idea is good enough to get a majority of the council to approve it).

I would propose:
LAW:
* offical offices have to be maintained by a specific department
* any appointed officers have to go thru a approval poll
* noone is allowed to delare an office without being a leader and nobody is allowed to predend being an officer if he is not

STANDARD:
* offices are found by the department under which area the office falls. forum-organizational offices fall under the domestic department, all non-related offices (for example chat) fall under the presidents department
* the leader of a department can found an office at any time. the office can be deleted only with citizen approval
* the leader can announce and retire an head of the office at any time with citizen approval.
* the head of the office can appoint helpers and deputies at any time. these are not considered officials in the rpg aspect of the game.



something like that. pay attention that helpers are not desired to be officials in the rpg aspect. maybe some finetuning is also needed there to have helpers getting less money than the head.

No approval poll should be needed for these positions. They're jobs, not elected positions. The department leader appoints a new (or reconfirms the old) office each month. Offices fall under whatever department sponsored the office. New official departments need Council approval.

I would rather prefer to see a citizen approval poll (no quorum? single majority) on all appointed positions, including office staff and mayors.

This would prevent the "what do you want? im elected and you not!"-syndrome as well as the problem that an office head may have a problem with a specific department leader, but still does good work for citizenry and the leader can do with him what he likes.

All despotic touches of the game should be removed ;-)

This will not put too much poll-load on the forum, as these positions will rarely change.
We only had one positional change last game, and this was approved and even decided by citizen poll without any hazzle.

My main concern is that we're making it more difficult for people to participate. We already have problems with participation so anything that makes this more difficult is not good. We're also adding rules and regulations to an aspect of the game that has never required rules or regulations in order to function perfectly well.

why do we make it more difficult?!? i dont understand you concern about having inofficial positions being officials in the future. the only hurdle will be for mayors, but how do we get rid of them now?
at the moment, anyone can declare himself mayor of somewhere, and there is no method of preventing this.

at the moment, our main problem is that everytime those paricipating ppl try to get more influence, you here "hey, you are not elected so you should not have anything to say". so where is the point? we will loose any participation if this continues imho.

Let's step back a bit. What powers/influence should mayors have? If they shouldn't have power or more influence that any other citizen then they have no need to be an official position.