RBE3 - This Space Available For Rent

Difficulty: Deity (natch)
World Size: standard
Civ: Chinese
Opponents: 7 (random)
Victory conditions: all

Using the rules for honorable play from Realms Beyond Civilization.

Roster:

Jaffa Tamarin
Urugharakh
Sulla
Croald
Gothmog

Is this roster full already? well, crap.

I'd be interested in getting in, if it's not.

I don't suppose anyone would be interested in something
like Epic 1 -- maybe the Honorable Chinese?

--colin

Originally posted by croald
I don't suppose anyone would be interested in something
like Epic 1 -- maybe the Honorable Chinese?

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I would be all in favor for such an idea - a game where we had to play under the Honorable Rules from Realms Beyond Civ could make Deity rather interesting, while at the same time not creating a virtually impossible to win variant (*cough* Epic12 *cough*). I'm rather indifferent to map settings, as long as we stay away from a huge map. As for civ choice... I will go with anyone but would be partial to China or Egypt, as they are the only 2 civs I have not played as yet.

I would be all in favor for such an idea - a game where we had to play under the Honorable Rules from Realms Beyond Civ could make Deity rather interesting, while at the same time not creating a virtually impossible to win variant (*cough* Epic12 *cough*).

I consider honorable play in deity at least on par with the Epic 12 variant. I would loose a couple of my favourite game tactics like early game blockades. This should make the game very challenging and interesting. So it will get my vote.

I'm rather indifferent to map settings, as long as we stay away from a huge map.

Huge maps are impossible on my machine in the late game, while large ones are barely acceptable. So I vote for a standard map size.

As for civ choice... I will go with anyone but would be partial to China or Egypt, as they are the only 2 civs I have not played as yet.

I played Egypt twice during the last two month, while I never played China. So my vote is for the latter. But I won't object any race except Egypt.

Urugharakh

Sirian has already slotted me in for RBE2. I'm also more interested in a smaller map as I have been putting a lot of time into Civ III lately, so if croald qualifies for the game (basically if he's beaten deity) then he can go in my place.

Originally posted by smegged
I'm also more interested in a smaller map as I have been putting a lot of time into Civ III lately, so if croald qualifies for the game (basically if he's beaten deity) then he can go in my place.

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Oh, right. I have some mopping up to do to actually finish Epic 9.
If this game isn't starting for a couple days, I'll get that done ASAP.

colin

It sounds like there is some interest in doing an honorable variant on a standard sized map, possibly with the Chinese. Now if we can get some input from Jaffa and Sirp, we can probably hammer out the details and start this thing by the end of the week.

And Urugharakh, the honorable restrictions are far easier to play under than the Epic12 rules. No changing of production, no unit upgrades, diplomacy restrictions... That's a lot worse than having to be the nice guy. And don't forget that we can still run blockades, they just have to be in our territory.

I'm pretty happy with whatever everyone else comes up with; if no-one has any particular preferences, then random is fine with me.

I haven't been the Chinese before either, except once very early in my civ3 days, so it'll be a nice change. They have some of the nicest attributes in the game, although they may not be well-suited to being "honorable". Time will tell...

Sounds good to me. I can start the game over the weekend, unless someone wants to volunteer to do it sooner.

Looks like we have our game settings down then.

I'm in no hurry to start the game and can easily wait until the weekend, so unless someone else has a problem with it, I say to follow the rotation contained in the first post and let Jaffa play the first turn. There's also some people in this game I haven't had too much contact with as yet, so it should be entertaining.

Uh, is anyone going to take the initiative and start the game? Jaffa, if you are swamped with work at the moment, I'm sure someone else here would be willing to play the game's first turn.

JT spent some time on current event discussions at RB. That may have slowed him down. Plus this forum was down for a while. RBE2 hit a slow period, too.

- Sirian

Hmm. Haven't started a new game in ages. What is this "Accelerated Production" option?

Standard map, China, default rules (except I switched off respawn), everything random.

Here's Beijing:

And here's 3000BC.



Look at all those bonus food tiles that Beijing managed to avoid

England is somewhere to the SW.
We've traded Warrior Code and Masonry for Pottery and Bronze Working.

Urugharakh is up

3000BC

Nice starting location. Far better than RBE DSG2's start. Honourable rules will hurt though .

EDIT: It's a pity you didn't start on a bonus grassland, because you may have then moved one square east and grabbed the fish. Such is life I suppose

Got it. I'll post more in a few hours or tomorrow.

Urugharakh

3000 BC Inspected our empire. Looks like we missed several bonus tiles. Nevertheless Beijing has good potential later on and we should bring the bonus tiles to work with our first city ring. Discovered the warrior on MP in Beijing. We need map information for optimal city placement. So I switched the lux rate to 10% and ordered the warrior scouting.

2950 BC The shock. Joanie build Rheims one tile northeast of my most wanted spot. Made contact with Joanie. Bought Alphabet for pottery and 18 gold before Liz gave it to her.



2900 BC Granary finished. I order a warrior. I don't want Beijing fall back to size one and we need more scouts. At least the AIs take care of the eastern barbarians for us.

2850 BC Beijing grows and I adjust the lux rate.

2800 BC Warrior finished. Order a settler. Send warrior scouting along the river.

2750 BC With so many french units beside it I try popping a hut and got nothing. First time I checked diplomacy since 4 turns and spotted



Worker buy is not off in honorable games, so I size the chance.

2710 BC Nothing interesting.

2670 BC Adjust techrate to save 1 gold before CB is discovered.

2630 BC Beijing produced settler. I send it towards France. Seems we have enough room to the southwest later. So I want to grab at least some of the fertile land, especially the wheat, in that direction after Joanie beat us to the most promising tiles on the river. Switch Beijing to barracks. We need some military and I hate building regulars. Beijing will not be our settler factory anyway. The wheat, the cow and the floodplains in the south will be much more suitable for settler builing.

2590 BC - Nothing interesting.

2550 BC One of our warriors fortified on a mountain defeated an attacking barbarian.

2510 BC Congratulate me to my settler direction. We almost missed the silks too as I really considered settling west of Beijing after the loss of the river. One of our warriors promoted to veteran after taking a barbarian camp. The 25 gold should be useful.

2470 BC Beat Joanie to the silks by one turn!!! Order a temple at Shanghai, because we need culture there. This might become be a settler/worker factory until we discover construction. Beijing finished Barracks and starts spearmen for defense and MP. Joanie starts on pyramids.



2430 BC Adjust lux rate after Beijing grows. Liz showed up with a warrior settler pair.

2390 BC Liz settled on our southern border. First spear finished due to some forest cleaning in preparation for irrigating the cow. Lux rate adjusted according to the new MP.

2350 BC Nothing interesting.

2310 BC Liz discovered writing. She hasn't contact with Joanie, which is surprising as I several times spotted their units only a few tiles apart. So I'll sell her the communication, especially because I spotted a french warrior 4 tiles from an english city. Liz demands additional 4 gpt and 55 g for Tokugawa, 1 gpt and 55 g for Gandhi and only 22 g for Otto. Seems the latter had no writing. So I opt for Gandhi in return for 2 gpt, 14 gold and contact with Joanie. I choose the 2 gpt payment instead of a 1 gpt payment to have better finetuning possibilites in further trades, as they surely lack communications with Joanie too. These finetuning possibilities are clearly worth the extra 2 gold the AI devalues gpt payments. Then I bought contact with Tokugawa from Gandhi for 1 gpt, 18 gold and contact with Joanie. Finally I traded contact with Germany for contact with France and 3 gold to Tokugawa.

2270 BC Beijing finished second spearmen and start on settler. We have to grab some territory to the southwest before Liz does. I send the spear towards Liz to block eventually settlers. Remember, every blockade in neutral territory not blocking the whole path between two landmasses is honorable.

2230 BC Silks are online.

2190 BC Nothing interesting.

2150 BC Nothing interesting.

Our next settler will be up next turn. It should grab either one of the yellow spots to claim the ivory - I'm not sure which is better - or the red spot. We should build 2 cities at or near the orange marked flood plains on the river. I prefer building on the flood plains so we save the hills for later. Another city should be founded at or near the blue spot. Then we have 2 fishing villages at the purple spots near Beijing simply not to waste any tiles in our spare land. We might risk a half city at the green spot and start a culture war with Rheims, though I would vote against it as AIs now react aggressive in case fo culture wars. This will be all territory we may get, unless we can squeze something out of the desert peninsula in the southeast. We should form a honorable blockade in neutral territory so we get at least this bare minimum. I advise adding the spear at Beijing after the settler build to the blockade our 2 warriors and one spear in the southwest are starting. Don't forget adjusting the lux rate after the settler build. Our eastern warrior can scout on the mountain and then go home, either participatin in the blockade or act as MP in Beijing.

Thats all from me.

Sirp, you are up.

Urugharakh

Hmmm... we have very fertile land here, but so do the AI civs, and they are very close indeed. We may not have all that much territory to work with in this game, so the next 20-30 turns will be critical as to how much land we get. At the same time though, buying those workers from England will have positively crippled them; their presence in the capital suggests that England is at war with another civ. That move in and of itself may have sealed England's fate and reduced them to sure death or a greatly weakened existence. I don't think I would do that anymore, knowing what worker buys can do to the AI civs, but it's water under the bridge now. Suffice to say, don't be too surprised if there turns out to be a good deal of room to expand to the southwest where England is located. It will be interesting to see how this worker purchase affects the outcome of this game. Good luck Sirp.

I'm really sorry guys, but I'm going to have to pull out of this game. I've just been put on a project at work that essentially involved the client telling my boss "we want xyz program, and will give you $abc for it". He didn't understand the xyz part, but the $abc part was apparently so impressive that the xyz part must just be a 'technical detail'. Anyhow, I'm the guy who has to do the xyz part, and it's not going to be pretty.

So yeah, I'm afraid that to make a long story short, I'm going to have to let this one go. Sorry everyone.