most historically incorrect movie!
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HotDog Fish
Leftist Loyalist
Almost any American made historical movie, they're complete farces in my opnion, complete and utter disregard for hisotrical accuracy, all they care is about action
I agree with HotDog Fish. Many movies are not only historically incorrect. They are insulting for other nationalities. Lately I was shocked watching a CNN documentary about the WW2. It seemed Russians did not take part in it at all.
I didn't manage to watch 'K-19' (a historical movie about the Soviet submarine) and I REALLY hope I will not see the submarine with several dozens of men drinking vodka and speaking the worst Russian I've ever heard.
I didn't manage to watch 'K-19' (a historical movie about the Soviet submarine) and I REALLY hope I will not see the submarine with several dozens of men drinking vodka and speaking the worst Russian I've ever heard.
Hurricane
Sleeping Dragon
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I would say "Conspiracy", which is a story about the ENIGMA code brakers in Bletchley Park during WW2. I was really angry after seeing this movie. Almost everything in it is completely made up fiction, but to the majority of viewers it probably looks like a "true story". For example, the massacre at Katyn forest (real event) has a big role in the movie, but how it is treated is entirely made up. Only people who have actually read about the British signal intelligence during WW2 would know to disregards that as fiction.
Worst of all, this movie was very English, not American.
Worst of all, this movie was very English, not American.
Le Petit Prince
Communist Comrade
Ennemy at the gates...What does the elite gunmen have done in Stalingrad? there was 50 factors more important that cause Russia's victory...
the Pearl Harbour quote of general Yamamoto : " I fear that I have awaken a sleeping dragon" Sorry for my translation from french but Yamamoto never said that...and now everyone believes in it...
the Pearl Harbour quote of general Yamamoto : " I fear that I have awaken a sleeping dragon" Sorry for my translation from french but Yamamoto never said that...and now everyone believes in it...
knowltok2
Deity
It is sleeping Giant.
I think Braveheart has to take the cake. I forget the name of the battle, but one of the most important centered around a bridge in real life. How do you leave that out?
I also thought that Bridge on the River Kwai was a little innaccurate, mainly because it didn't go far enough in portraying the suffering and cruelty.
U-582? Was another one that gets a lot of criticism for using Americans instead of British commandos as happened in real life.
Pillager
League of Empire Loyalist
The Patriot, Braveheart are two that immediately spring to mind. Both of which star Mel Gibson, IIRC.
Two absolute shockers. I wouldn't mind too much, but people then start believing that what they've seen actually happened.
Two absolute shockers. I wouldn't mind too much, but people then start believing that what they've seen actually happened.
joespaniel
Unescorted Settler
How about some movies that were good (ie. fairly-accurate)?
I thought "A Bridge Too Far", "The Longest Day" and "Blackhawk Down" to name a few. Some inconsistancies, but overall pretty well done.
There is a book about the sniper portrayed in Enemy at the Gates, and I wish I could think of the name...
Maybe someone here can remember it.
AoA?
I thought "A Bridge Too Far", "The Longest Day" and "Blackhawk Down" to name a few. Some inconsistancies, but overall pretty well done.
There is a book about the sniper portrayed in Enemy at the Gates, and I wish I could think of the name...
Maybe someone here can remember it.
AoA?
gr8ful wes
Deity
that sub movie was a bit of a joke. cool movie, just not true.
yeah most american made films are bunk as far as accuracy goes, but they do entertain.
I did like Enemy at the Gates, A Bridge Too Far.
Band of Brothers is allmost identical to the book. Gettysburg wasnt too bad either.
Several Viet Nam Vets were not too happy about Apocolypse Now, but that was loosly based on fiction anyway.
yeah most american made films are bunk as far as accuracy goes, but they do entertain.
I did like Enemy at the Gates, A Bridge Too Far.
Band of Brothers is allmost identical to the book. Gettysburg wasnt too bad either.
Several Viet Nam Vets were not too happy about Apocolypse Now, but that was loosly based on fiction anyway.
Alcibiaties of Athenae
Imperator
The guy is Vassili Zaitsev Joe, and there are a couple of books concerning him, but there seems to be a disagreement concerning his duel with a German counterpart.
Vassili says it's true, but German records don't confirm this, however, those records could have been lost several ways, either destroyed when the Germans surendered at Stalingrad or at war's end, destroyed in bombing raids (this is VERY likely, the main SS records office was destroyed in 45 by several direct hits).
I agree with those who mentioned U-571 (You were off a bit, knowltok2
)as garbage, trying to pass off an American S-class as a U-boat, claiming the US navy broke Enigma (The Poles did this, and the Brits improved it early 1940 for god sakes! ).
The "Patriot" ALWAYS annoys me, they had the guy who's supposed to be Tarrelton committing atrocites left and right!
Does anybody here think the Lobsterbacks, nor their Officers, ALL of whom were royalty and Gentalmen, would EVER permit women and children being burned alive in a barn????
I wanted to puke when I saw that, a TOTAL distortion, as was the scene early were British regulars were ordered to murder wounded uniformed colonials (Such things NEVER happened in the American Revolution, there were murders during the heat of battle, but I can't recall ANY massacre of civillians or surrendered soldiers by EITHER side, this was NOT acceptable in that age and amoung those people).
Joe, "A Bridge to far" is a beautiful movie, it captures the Airborne spirt perfectly, and is very accurate and fair to both sides (The Germans are NOT portrayed as mindless monsters), to say nothing of the fine uniform detail, and they even used Sherman tanks and real M-3 halftracks! (the German stuff were not accurate vehicle wise, but you can't have everything).
For worst movie, you need to be older (like me) and remember the propaganda films holywood made, but THE MOST inaccurate film I EVER saw was "Flying Tigers" starring John Wayne, a rediculous movie (In one scene the Tigers, after heavy combat are shown growing angry when after a year of fighting the Japs, they hear of Pearl Harbor. The problem is that the REAL AVG went into action December 10th, THREE days after Pearl Harbor. )
Wayne made many such silly propaganda movis (Figthing SeeBees, Flying Leathernecks, ect) that are all mostly garbage historically.
One of the best movies however, is Stanley Baker epic "Zulu" (It's not perfect, the cuffs of the 24th were Lime Green, not black), a movie that shows fighting in the age of rifles quite accurately.
Vassili says it's true, but German records don't confirm this, however, those records could have been lost several ways, either destroyed when the Germans surendered at Stalingrad or at war's end, destroyed in bombing raids (this is VERY likely, the main SS records office was destroyed in 45 by several direct hits).
I agree with those who mentioned U-571 (You were off a bit, knowltok2
)as garbage, trying to pass off an American S-class as a U-boat, claiming the US navy broke Enigma (The Poles did this, and the Brits improved it early 1940 for god sakes! ).The "Patriot" ALWAYS annoys me, they had the guy who's supposed to be Tarrelton committing atrocites left and right!
Does anybody here think the Lobsterbacks, nor their Officers, ALL of whom were royalty and Gentalmen, would EVER permit women and children being burned alive in a barn????
I wanted to puke when I saw that, a TOTAL distortion, as was the scene early were British regulars were ordered to murder wounded uniformed colonials (Such things NEVER happened in the American Revolution, there were murders during the heat of battle, but I can't recall ANY massacre of civillians or surrendered soldiers by EITHER side, this was NOT acceptable in that age and amoung those people).
Joe, "A Bridge to far" is a beautiful movie, it captures the Airborne spirt perfectly, and is very accurate and fair to both sides (The Germans are NOT portrayed as mindless monsters), to say nothing of the fine uniform detail, and they even used Sherman tanks and real M-3 halftracks! (the German stuff were not accurate vehicle wise, but you can't have everything).
For worst movie, you need to be older (like me) and remember the propaganda films holywood made, but THE MOST inaccurate film I EVER saw was "Flying Tigers" starring John Wayne, a rediculous movie (In one scene the Tigers, after heavy combat are shown growing angry when after a year of fighting the Japs, they hear of Pearl Harbor. The problem is that the REAL AVG went into action December 10th, THREE days after Pearl Harbor.
)Wayne made many such silly propaganda movis (Figthing SeeBees, Flying Leathernecks, ect) that are all mostly garbage historically.
One of the best movies however, is Stanley Baker epic "Zulu" (It's not perfect, the cuffs of the 24th were Lime Green, not black), a movie that shows fighting in the age of rifles quite accurately.
napoleon526
Emperor
Speaking of John Wayne, does anybody know the name of that movie where he played Genghis Khan? I saw some of it a few years ago and it was hilarious.
Panda
Metal head
I've seen many movies that were historically inaccurate that I can't pick my top one. It would appear that more Hollywood movies than European movies are inaccurate, but that could also be attributed to the fact that more movies are produced in Hollywood. 
That would be The Conqueror. I haven't seen it, but I haven't heard anything good of it either.
The main interest in that movie seems to be that - eledgedly - roughly half of the film crew died of cancer due to the fact they shot the film in New Mexico too close to a nuclear test site.
That would be The Conqueror. I haven't seen it, but I haven't heard anything good of it either.
The main interest in that movie seems to be that - eledgedly - roughly half of the film crew died of cancer due to the fact they shot the film in New Mexico too close to a nuclear test site.
gr8ful wes
Deity
Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
"Flying Tigers" starring John Wayne, a rediculous movie (In one scene the Tigers, after heavy combat are shown growing angry when after a year of fighting the Japs, they hear of Pearl Harbor. The problem is that the REAL AVG went into action December 10th, THREE days after Pearl Harbor.
Wayne made many such silly propaganda movis (Figthing SeeBees, Flying Leathernecks, ect) that are all mostly garbage historically.
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Actually, this didn't sound correct, so I ran to the Library over lunch. Turns out the AVG was defending the Burma Road in August 1941. That would be before Dec 7th.
Let me know if you want more info. I have 2 books on my desk.
As far as John Wayne making some silly WW2 movies, well that is in fact quite true
Tora Tora Tora and Das Boot are 2 very Good WW2 movies by the way, and John Wayne had nothing to do with those
Alcibiaties of Athenae
Imperator
No, I'm affraid your books are off wes, this is from a member of the Flying Tigers, Ed Rector, 2nd Sqdrn, Vice Squadron Leader:
"December 7, 1941, "Pearl Harbor attacked by Japan." It was December 8th in Burma. Chennault ordered his men on the alert. We would not be caught on the ground. But nothing happened at Toungoo."
"Chennault had organized his group into three squadrons. On December 12th, he sent the 3rd Squadron, "Hell's Angels" to Rangoon to assist the RAF."
http://www.flyingtigersavg.com/tiger1.htm
Burma was a BRITISH possion at the time, Britain was attacked the same day the US was, so they couldn't have been defending the Burma road, as Britain was neutral!
I understand your confusion, a lot of people think the Tigers were in action before Pearl Harbor, I did for years till I did a little research on the subject, they first arrived in SEPTEMBER of 41, and Chennault had them training as Rector states in his article before Pearl Harbor, but the group was NOY operational before the 12th ( I was off by 2 days, slip of the ol memory, must be getting old!
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onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
Someone beat me to the Alamo. None of the versions is any good. 90% of the cavalry and indian movies are fertilizer. The absolute cake IMHO is Jeremiah Johnson. I admit there is a bit of a US national bias here, but that's where the movies were made.
J
PS I take it all back. The Three Musketeers or The Scarlet Pimpernel and of course, choose your version, Robin Hood.
PPS Someone should ask what movie has the worst science. My vote for The China Syndrome.
J
PS I take it all back. The Three Musketeers or The Scarlet Pimpernel and of course, choose your version, Robin Hood.
PPS Someone should ask what movie has the worst science. My vote for The China Syndrome.
