Foreign Affairs Proposal and Long Term Planning Discussion

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Here is my proposal. It is not a decision, but rather a place to start discussion.

Part One: The Aztecs

I think we should conquer all but one Aztec city, and then sue for peace for everything they have. We should attempt to leave one Aztec unit in our territory when we take the second to last city. On the next turn, we should tell them to remove their unit or declare war. There is a good chance that they, in their arrogance, will declare war and allow us to finish our conquest and get all of their techs.

Part Two: The Japanese

We must eliminate or seriously weaken the Japanese before the onset of chivalry, or we may find ourselves being driven back and conquered. I suggest that within 3 turns of the completion of our conquest of the Aztecs, we begin moving 3/4 of our military towards the Japanese, and declare war as soon as enough troops to take one city have reached their border.

Part 3: Entangling Alliances

At this point, we should keep enough money in reserve to sign an alliance against the Americans should they decide to either encroach too far into our territory or simply take advantage of the situation and declare war. This alliance should be with their closest strong neighbor, to keep them occupied while we finish with the Japanese. The war with Japan will likely take upwards of 20 turns, so for each ally they drag into the war, I suggest we drag one in as well, but have our ally declare war on their new ally. This will cause general chaos on the continent, and should give us some extra time to secure our area to the West of the landbridge, which we can then defend easily. To accomplish this part of this plan, we need maps so we know who we should pit against who. Thus, I formally request funds from the domestic department to purchase a map from one of our neighbors.

Part 4: The Americans

I can almost guarantee that the Americans will infringe on our territory. Hopefully, we can wait until the Japanese have been annhilated or at least weakened significantly before we have to declare war on them. There is a very good chance they will save us the trouble of making that decision by declaring war on us, anyway. Regardless, we will want to declare war almost immediately after the war with Japan has ended, and troops should be moved into position before this occurs.

Finally, it may not be possible for us to defeat the Japanese in our first war. If this becomes apparent, all of our resources should be devoted to capturing all of the iron on the continent, to deprive them of Samuari for as long as possible.

Also, while we know nothing of most civs, I believe that the Aztecs and Japanese should be treated as enemies as far as trade goes beginning now, and that we should only trade with the Americans if the deal is much better than we can get elsewhere. All other nations should be considered potential trading partners.

Discuss...

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Edit: Added part 4. Thanks, SAaM for reminding me. :D
 
Originally posted by eyrei
Part One: The Aztecs

I think we should conquer all but one Aztec city, and then sue for peace for everything they have. We should attempt to leave one Aztec unit in our territory when we take the second to last city. On the next turn, we should tell them to remove their unit or declare war. There is a good chance that they, in their arrogance, will declare war and allow us to finish our conquest and get all of their techs.

I like the way you think :D :viking:
 
I agree with your approach eyrei. Great post.

Bill
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I too consider this to be an excellent plan, except for the part where we finish off the Aztecs. I can think of a very good reason for letting them keep their last city, but I shall post it in the Strategic Advisory Committee thread to avoid threadjacking :)
 
I like it, but then again I don't.... The Japs have a good amount of money.... and probley the good relations most AI's keep. The samuri not only will stomp on are swordsmen, but the Japs could bring not just 1 alliance, but quite a few into the war against us. After the war with the aztecs we need to build libries, temples, etc. If we launch continued attacks constantly at the rate were going we will not have the economy to support it.
 
I think the objective is to immediately attack before the Japanese can get their UU.
 
Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
I think the objective is to immediately attack before the Japanese can get their UU.

It's a better version of the swordsmen right? If so I think they already have it.
 
Good, eyrei. I basically like your plan. It covers all the bases and agrees with my order of attack. I especially like the alliances part. This can be quite helpful not only in gaining allies, but in eliminating enemies, and in your paragraph #3, it would be a close enemy we would be eliminating.
My question is about gold. True we will be generating more and more gold with each citiy we build or capture, but with buying maps, forming alliances, and building embassies, have you come up with any type of buget or outlined plan for spending?
 
Originally posted by Strider


It's a better version of the swordsmen right? If so I think they already have it.

No. It is a knight with a 4 defense rather than a three. And Samuari don't require horses, only iron. And they look really intimidating...
 
Originally posted by Cyc
My question is about gold. True we will be generating more and more gold with each citiy we build or capture, but with buying maps, forming alliances, and building embassies, have you come up with any type of buget or outlined plan for spending?


It will be reasonably expensive, but we will probably be stuck in despotism for most of this time, and will be getting our techs from vanquished enemies. Unit upgrades to pikemen do not cost much, and it will a while before we can do that. The map is a one time deal anyway, just to get a general idea of how everything is laid out. Hopefully, our new 'allies' will end up draggin others into the war as well, which will save us some money and cause further chaos.
 
The point of a Japanese war would be to prevent their UU from hurting us. Perhaps a more reasonable goal for a Japanese war would be to simply cut off their access to iron. The Americans, as our closest emeny, should be our first target.

My reasoning for leaving the Japanese for later really has to do with the fact that I don't like the thought of 2/3 our army away, with the possibilty of another, closer, neighbor to attack.
 
Entangling alliances, deprivation of resources... I'm really going to like working with you this month. :)

A couple of things to add:
  • As far as the Japanese treasury is concerned, perhaps after we "acquire" everything from the Aztecs, we could come up with some creative trades to deplete the Japanese of their war chest.
  • I think the world map we get from the Aztecs will shed some helpful light on the best course of action to take once this war is over.
 
One more point...

While pouring over the maps during some idle time, I discovered something interesting that some of us may not know yet. It appears that the Japanese borders come startlingly close to the Aztec borders!

japanesethreat.jpg
 
Originally posted by FortyJ
One more point...

While pouring over the maps during some idle time, I discovered something interesting that some of us may not know yet. It appears that the Japanese borders come startlingly close to the Aztec borders!

japanesethreat.jpg

An excellent point, and another reason to attack the Japanese next, since many of our troops will already be right on their borders.:goodjob:
 
I think that might just be a lone city.... They probley just built it to settle a claim in that area....
 
It probably means there's a luxury or strategic resource there. The city could be placed to claim it.

It may also be a sign there is ocean nearby. They wouldn't settle down there unless they were forced to follow a coast.
 
Originally posted by Octavian X
It probably means there's a luxury or strategic resource there. The city could be placed to claim it.

It may also be a sign there is ocean nearby. They wouldn't settle down there unless they were forced to follow a coast.

I'll have to agree.... If they were forced to follow the coast it will be hard to take them over.
 
Originally posted by Strider


I'll have to agree.... If they were forced to follow the coast it will be hard to take them over.

What? Why?:confused:
 
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