Gotm #22 - Spolier

Just so you know, when I loaded up the game it turned out the cheatmode was still on, even though it doesn't show up on the score.

(You ave no idea how tempting those options have been so far, but a game cheated is nt a game at all.)

Anyhow my game has started out well. I found the Americans early on with my NONE archer, and after exchanging techs with them, they decided to attack my archer outside washington. I won leaving washington open. Obiging I found that the city was the only ones the americans had and destroyed them.

Other points of interst are the same thing happening with an aztec city, allowing me to take a quarter of their cities before declaring peace. (Why does the AI attack you with warriors?).
And I found the perfect site for a SSC. One fish, two whales and gold. Most of the sqaures are ocean but there are a few hills, plins and mountains for sheilds.

It's only 300 (or 400) AD at the moment, and my empire streatches from the pole to the equator, coming top in almost everything. There are only the Zulus (whom have not met). The aztecs with their few cities on the pole, and the mongols who invariablly still throw units at my cities walls ever other year.

So far it is has been a good game. (even if I am plagued with rebelion), and i have done extremely well considering I prefer to play on Prince all the time.

I was so excited to see some green squares that I started playing right away!

First I did some general map-clicking to find out info - then I did the wrong things with that info, but that will be told below...

We are on Continent 3. We are way to the East of everything. The water to the south is the main Ocean. There is a peninsula to the north. Most of the land is South and East.This continent looks biggish, and there may be other CIvs on it which should be elminated fast. I also see a Continent 15. That's a lot of land areas. It looks like Maps and LH will be necessary to fast conquer. First step is the hut and then decide strategy.

BC
4000 Move Settler South
3950* Hut: Horseback R. Looks like Conquest.
3900 Settler to SW - Fish. This will be the capital. Work Buffalo for Size 1 or Horse to explare? Hut popping is too dicey. I will build. [OOPS!!]
3850 Berlin Founded. Working buffalo [SCIENCE - 1 BEAKER...WHAT WAS I THINKING??]
3800 Happiness: 5th (the Puny Germans) Alph (for Maps) (22 required because of HB from hut)
3750* Just Clicking now until 3200. (SERVES ME RIGHT!)
3500 Mongols destroyed by Celts
3200 Settler. =>horse. Settler moves West looking for terrain.
3050 hut: Nomads! OK this may be all right. (WISHFUL THINKING)
2950* Leipzig founded. Roading a square so I get some science. (ABOUT TIME)
2800 Hamburg founded.
2750* Horse in Berlin.
2700 Warriors in Leipzig. need to explore (DUH!)
2600 Alph=>maps. Hut: Archers (Leipzig)
2550* Found the other whale. I wish I had put a city here. Next time...
2400 Hut: 50 gold.
2300 Berlin builds Settlers.
2200 Leipzig builds settlers
2050 Konigsberg founded near whale
2000 Hamburg builds settlers. THe Germans have 4 cities, 2 Techs(!!)

1900 Map Making=>BW. Frankfurt founded. Hut:
1850 Munich Founded. Hut: 50 g
1800 Berlin builds settlers. I see celts from the East.
1750* Celts come to visit: Peace, trade HB for Monarchy! Celts have BW. They withdraw.
1650 Gov: Monarchy. Science: 9 turns. We need to boogie.
1550* We break treaty. Horse attacks Phalanx. Not yet vet.
1450 Their warrior immolates self on our fortified hill warrior.
1400 BW=> Writing
1300 Archer kills 2 phalanx.
1250 Barbs near Konigsberg.
1200 Leipzig builds settlers.
1150* Hamburg builds settlers.
1100 Berlin builds Trireme. Armagh found. Heidelberg founded. Nuremburg founded.
1000 Celts attack horse=>vet. Munich builds settlers. Writing =>Currency (need Trade for Wonder building because we are so slow). Cologne founded.
--9 cities, 6 Techs. (14 bk/turn) building roads for defence and trade.
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The loss of exploring time from 3850 to 3200 was disastrous. By the time I find the Celts they are too big to take out quickly, so it turns into a long war. I should have hut-popped with a horse and tried to overrun the other civs on the continent, then finish up overseas later when I have more tech and a bigger civ.

-more to come

I wandered to get a delay so I could pop the pictured hut in 3850. Was rewarded with: .............25g.

I will play this game, my first gotm ever!

I downloaded the save file yesterday and played somewhat recklessly up till 1000AD.

Here is a brief log.

3950 Berlin founded one square to the southwest of the starting position, using whales
Some units found in huts
2900 Leipzig (SSC) founded a few squares to the south east with whales, fish, buffalo and several grassland and ocean squares to use.
2000 2 new cities founded
1800 American city of New York destroyed
1050 Form Monarchy (forgot to do that earlier)
0850 Peace treaty with the evil Celts who pay 150g tribute
0625 Leipzig builds Marco Polo
Some diplomacy taking place, sharing maps and getting a few techs and stuff
~500 Demand lots of tribute from Celts who gladly pay
0400 Leipzig builds Hanging Gardens
0350 American city of Philadelphia destroyed
0175 Leipzig builds Colossus
0125 Republic established

AD Years

180 Leipzig builds Shakespeare and is ready to grow to maximum size
220 Aztecs build Pyramids
320 Leipzig builds Michelangelo
340 Sanitation discovered
420 Leipzig builds Copernicus
560 Start to settle the Carthagian continent
660 Gunpowder discovered
680 Leipzig builds Leo's
680 Evil American city of Boston subverted
720 Celts build Great Library
720 Evil Zulus build Lighthouse
720 Leipzig builds Newton
780 Explosives discovered
800 Conscription discovered
800 Chicago subverted
840 Revolution, tributes from Celts and Mongols
860 Evil American diplomat steals gunpowder
860 Kingdom of Germany re-established
900 War with Americans
900 Washington captured, Atlanta bribed
900 American civilization destroyed
940 Evil Zulu diplomat incites a revolt in Issus and steals gunpowder
960 Caernarfon subverted, Economics stolen
960 Issus recaptured, crappy Warrior Code stolen
980 Tactics discovered, we now have 30 cavalry units!
980 Carthage pays tribute
1000 War with evil Celts, Armagh captured

My empire in 1000AD

27 cities, 5,990,000 population

Units: Notably the Mighty Cavalry with 30 units, half attacking the celts and half approaching Carthagians and Zulus.

I have used the Carthagians as trading partners early in the game but I will switch to the Aztecs when I get better boats and Magellans. In fact, I have avoided to research navigation so that I would get high trade bonuses for as long as possible. It may look a bit silly, but I am using triremes to ship the mighty cavalry to the Carthagian continent.

We have 45 techs so far and we switched back to Monarchy to make the warmonging easier. The SSC is celebrating anyway and we get new techs every 3 turns with the 70% Monarchy science rate.

We are supreme but atrocious.

Wonders: HG, Colossus, MPE, Mike, Cope, Shake, Leo, Newton

I haven't descided between spaceship and conqest yet. However, my goal is to finish with a big powerful empire before 1750AD.

I've almost finished, and even though it is 1900 already I have hardly done anything. I should never have let the Zulus expand so much on that other landmass. The Aztecs are confined to a small pice of landand only a have a few cities, same to with the mongols, but it looks like I may have to send a experditionaly force to Zulu land to take hal their empire and regain contolr of the world.

I have nearly every turn saved from the beiginning so I may do a full timeline if I can be bothered. I prob. will I have corsework to do so it is a near certainty.

I think the carthaginians were destroyed by the zulus, and they were the only other civ on that landmass. I'll have to wait till Lespiz finshes Apollo before I can cjheck that though.

I traded maps extensively when I got map making and Marco Polo's so I knew evertything that was going on. The Zulus were not very powerful in my game but rather hostile. I have played a few more turns now, it's 1400AD, and evertything is under control. I wiped out the Zulus, the Celts and the Carthagians. Only the Mongols with one city and the Aztecs with three cities remain. I think I will launch into space, that would be fun. Normally I only play conquest games.

I have switched to democracy and started trading with the Aztecs.

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I played till 1 AD this weekend.

I founded Berlin at the starting location, built a warrior and then switched to settler. Huts were less than helpful. I got 4 of them early on and they gave me Mapmaking, Archer, Horseback riding, and barbarians. The unneeded techs delayed Monarchy tremendously. The barbarians killed my Warrior. My undefended city of Leipzig barely scaped a barbarian take over. Leipzig is just Southeast of Berlin with access to Buffalo, fish, and Whale. It is my science city.

I Met Americans early on. They demanded Mapmaking outright. I refused hoping to trade instead. They declared war and attacked
my Archer first with a warrior who got killed in attack and then with an Archer. I carefully retreated to a hilltop on a narrow (3 tiles wide) strech of land and fortified. After their Archer also got killed in attack they did not attack me anymore. The strategic location of my Archer kept them from coming into my area and allowed me to expand without defense.

Just recently I sent a diplomat into American territory and subverted size 1 Boston. I have not yet met anyone else. I am still expanding. I have 11 cities and Colossus. No one else has any wonders yet though Aztecs are working on Pyramids.

Originally posted by Ali Ardavan
I Met Americans early on. They demanded Mapmaking outright. I refused hoping to trade instead.

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The AI will always ask to trade technology before demanding that you give them technology.

My first GOTM!


I played until 1 AD. I managed to kill the Americans easily, but found the Celts too late. I found a nomad en route to the Celts and built a city to stop all of their units from coming into my territory.

I found the Aztecs after they built their Pyramids and managed to capture their city which had built the Pyramids. I'm not sure if I'll be able to hold it though, since I only have a horseman and a chariot there and they are far away from my other cities.

Recently I built 2 triremes for exploring. The first one I accidently sunk. The second one I loaded with a diplomat and ventured to another land I found a nomad, built a city and found the Carthiginians(I think). I managed to incite a revolt in one of their cities, but it only had 1 warrior.

I am behind in wonder production and havn't managed to build any wonders yet, even in my SSC.

Hanging Gardens, of course

Nice log, Cliff. Other descriptions interesting as well. If you guys would like some Deity action, please visit Civ2 Democracy. It's 460AD, and we are about to build Mike's. We need help with everything over there, Rioting, Trade, Diplomats, and Marco Polo.

This is a lesson in bad luck, and how to make it worse. The first Hut was $25, then a supported Horse, then Scrolls of Warrior Code. At 2150BC, discovered CerBur, but no choice Monarchy. At 1550, surprised by a Mongol, we accept Maps and give them CerBur, hurting our Monarchy research. 1350, an American Horse is an ugly surprise outside the new city of Konigsberg, we again exchange foolishly and give Map for Masonry, daydreaming of Pyramids. At 1300 we discover Currency, but there is no option for Trade nor Monarchy! At 900BC the despotic riots begin. At 350BC recovery begins with the Hanging Gardens, and at 225BC we finally form our Monarchy. 12 cities, 12 tech.

3900BC Hut: Valuable $25 gold , Doah!
3850 Fdd Berlin, R: Alphabet, st Warrior
3650 WARRIOR, Alphabet, R: Code Laws, IPRB $16.
3400 Hut: Horse supported by Berlin
3250 Hut: Warrior Code
3150 First SETTLERS, Hut: Settlers None!
2950 Fdd Leipzig Whale, st Settlers. IPRB $8.
20,000 in 2c, $2 -0, Sci 4/9, F11 Mfg=6 #1 FS=7.3 #1
2900 Code, R: CerBur over Bronze HBR Mason Pottery.
2750 Hut: Scrolls of Bronze! Fascinating Land!
... 2 new Settlers.
2300 Mtn Hut: Archers from None, finally! $IPRB's.
2250 Fdd Hamburg, started Settlers.
2150 CerBurial, R: Currency over Writing Myst Pott Masonry Map, No Monarchy!
2100 Founded Konigsberg. Building Phx and 3 Settlers.
1950 First ARCHER. Spent $IPRB, only $7 gold remains...
Aztec capital moved to Teotihuacan !?
1750 Leipzig builds another Settler. Start Wine Mine w None Settler.
1600 Hut: Barb Horse! Dies wounding our Archer...
1550 Hamburg builds Settler. 40,00,60%
80,000 in 4c, $4 -0, Sci 6/13 5.9T, Mfg=12 #1, FS=6.0 #1
Mongol Warrior! Give Map for CerBurial. Decline HBR for CodeLaws. Peace Treaty, then we demand, they give us $100. The wounded Archer did well!
1500 Hut near Leipzig: $50. We have $185!
1400 TEMPLE of Berlin. Start Colossus for Hanging Gardens.
Also building Archers and 2 Settlers.
1350 A surprise American Horse, Give Map for Masonry, Peace Treaty, so they do not capture unguarded Konigsberg!
Leipzig RB $13 Archer, fdd Frankfish & started Settler.
100,000 in 5c, $5 -1, Sci 8/14 7.8T, Mfg=15 #1 FS=6.5 #1
1300 Currency, R: Pot HG over Myst Writ Math Const, no Trade nor Monarchy! Rushing IPRB=10 Phx to expand w Americans.
1200 completed first Wine Mine.
1100 Top Cities: Carthage=4 Wash=3 Berlin=3 Ulundi Barb!=3 Samarkand Mongol=3 F11 Mfg=15 #1 FS=6/5 #1 Prod=65 #1

975 BC Founded Heidelburg, chasing out American Horse.
950 Founded Munich. Goaded Mongols into declaring WAR.
900 Frankfish riot, only 1 content, still Despotic, argh.
875 ZULUS DESTROYED BY CARTHAGINIANS !!! PreBuild HG.
850 Americans in New York bluster, we move away.
825 Aztecs started Pyramids. POTTERY, R: Cruel Choice: Trade! over Monarchy! Myst Seafaring Iron Constr HBR.
700 Fdd NurNorthberg, st Trireme. Mongol horse dies.
675 Give Americans Pottery, then they share Maps. Hmmm.
550 TRADE! R: Monarchy! over Wri Sea Math Iron Cons HBR.
500 Fdd CologneSilk, Barb Trireme! 40,00,60%
220,000 in 9c, $12 -1, Sci 15/11 10T, Mfg=23 #1 FS=5.2
475 Mongols give Mysticism, offer $150, No.   2 Barb Archers land outside Berlin! Killed them, still no Vets ... Founded Hannover and BreWheat.
450 Americans have started Pyramids for us. Hamburg riot. 4 Cities have 2 Content, 6 have only 1 Content, Despot.
425 NurNorthberg grew & rioted. ... Coal! Traffic Jam.

350 Built HANGING GARDENS! First CARAVAN. Exchange Trade for WRITING w Americans. Hut: Adv Tribe Stuttgart. IPRB DIP
270,000 in 12, $14 -1, Sci 20/12 12T, Mfg=31 #1, FS=6.0

300 Mongols want treaty, No, Demand, they give $37!?
275 BRIBE Amer Phx $81 None!
250 Bribe Amer War $41 None! Declare war, Kill Mongol Horse. All 7 cities have 1 Content, 1 Red 40,00,60%
290,000 in 12, $14 -1, Sci 20/11 12T, Mfg=32 #1, FS=5.8
225 Monarchy: R: Literacy over Math Sea Iron Cons HBR. Oedo FORMS MONARCHY in Zero Turns! Now 5 cities have 2.content, and 3 have 1.content, Berlin=1C+2Red.
310,000 in 12, $19 -1, Sci 24/10 13T, Mfg=39 FS=6.5
Bribed Am Warr $45 None, killed Mongol, no Vets! Fdd Bonn.
200 410,000 in 13c, $22 -1, Sci 28/8 , Mfg=47 FS=5.8
150 Fdd Salzburg, $24 -1 32/7, Mfg=49, Mongols st Colossus!
125 Advance on Nishapur, they attack and die. 1 Vet!
100 Archers assault Nishapur, $15 and Iron Working, destroyed Nishapur (Archer healed).
75 Mongols develop Seafaring. Copper maybe for Trade...
50 Ai's Pyramids, maybe we should, vs Colossus only a few trade... Then, try for Colossus too, or ship Copper to Washington? ... dilemmas. 30,00,70%
25 Built PYRAMIDS, Aztecs Grt Libr, Americans Colossus.
Literacy, R: Philo over Sea Const Repub Feud HBR.

1AD 460,000 in 14c, $18 -1, Sci 35/9 15T, Mfg=55 #1 FS=6.0
4.Sett+6 2.Dip+1 2.Cara+2 6.Arch 5.Phx 5.Warr+1 1.Horse 2.Trireme 18.Supported 5.None Casualties:0 Treas= $173g

20AD Cheating Mongols die. Both Archers bloody.

I can't imagine finding the time to finish in 20 days.

I wanted to build the maximum spaceship, I have never done that before. It was launched in 1670AD and landed 11 years later. In retrospect it was not worth the effort to build those 100+ freights while researching towards space flight. My empire was too small for this so I had to leave most cities small with few city improvements and little land improvement. I did some catching up while waiting for the spaceship to land though.

Here is another mini-log from 1000AD to AC.

1060 Carmarthen captured
1080 Leipzig builds Bach, Navigation disocvered
1100 Carthagians pay 300g tribute
1120 Leipzig builds Magellan
1120 War with Carthagians
1120 Carthage captured, Malaca bribed
1120 Carthagian civilization destroyed
1120 Bokhara bribed, Cardiff captured, Kells bribed
1120 Celtic civilization destroyed
1160 Ship chain to the Aztecs complete
1180 Barbarians capture Brandenburg
1200 War with Zulus, Ulundi and Hlobane captured
1240 Revolution
1260 Leipzig builds Eiffel Tower
1260 Frederick elected Chancellor
1260 Zimbabwe destroyed, Lighthouse lost
1260 Zulu civilization destroyed
1280 Railroad discovered
1360 Corporation discovered
1400 Leipzig discoveres Cure for Cancer
1480 Automobile discovered
1570 Flight discovered
1630 Space Flight discovered
1640 Berlin builds Apollo Program
1670 Fusion Power discovered
1670 Maximum Spaceship launched
1674 Mongols declare war
1674 Karakorum captured
1674 Mongol civilization destroyed
1675 Berlin builds Darwin
1675 Future Tech discovered
1678-1680 UN, Oracle, Sun Tzu, Great Wall, Adam Smith, Statue of Liberty built
1678 Aztec city of Teotihuacan (with Pyramids) subverted
1679 Tlateloco subverted
1681 AC

Just some interesting notes:

* Hoover Dam was not built and no factory was ever built
* No supermarket was built, refrigeration was never discovered
* I got a free future tech from Darwin's Voyage
* The Eiffel Tower was useful in this game

Oh, the democracy game! I might help with Marco Polo, it is my favorite wonder. I like all the dilpomacy options in civ2. Not only will the AI build cities and wonders for you, they will do your research and collect taxes for you as well!

Cliff, I am impressed by your launching a space ship in 1670. Great job!

I have played till 1700 now. As soon as I exchanged a few maps with AI, I decided to finish by space ship. I destroyed Americans and took all their land. Mongols destroyed Celts. I subverted the Mongol city of Kashghar which is built near a bottle neck. Mongols have only 5 cities (including the two they captured from Celts). Mongols are extremely well behaved for Mongols. They are building wonders and have not attacked me even once. I cannot believe this!

I am heavily trading with Carthaginians and Aztecs. Zulu have only 2-3 cities and have been at war with just about everyone else. I would have taken them over if they were not so far away. My portion of the continent has all the cities I am going to build. I also have cities in three near by islands and looking for more unsettled land at this point.

The AI has been super active in building wonders in this game. Aztecs started Pyramids early and beat me to it. They also got Hanging Gardens. All other ancient wonders with the exception of Great Library are built by someone. I only have Colosssus among the ancients. The AI has these wonders as well: Sun Tzu, King Richard and Magellan. Besides Colossus I have Marco, Leo, Michelangelo, Copernicus, Newton. Bach and Adam Smith are around the corner. I am currently researching Railroad.

I wonder if I am in the same game -- I'm at 1060 AD, with four wonders built -- non of the ai's have even started a wonder!

I'm still in Monarchy but they're all despots -- true to form going slow I guess.

I might not even get this game finished!
I'll have about two days at the weekend in which to play from about 1000AD.
Plus there is the fact that civ2 causes my pc to crash about every fifteen minutes which is REALLY frustrating.(even with the autosave on its still annoying)

Originally posted by Revenant

Plus there is the fact that civ2 causes my pc to crash about every fifteen minutes which is REALLY frustrating.(even with the autosave on its still annoying)

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You may need the Indeo drivers update. Ask some questions in the Tech Support forum...

Originally posted by Old n Slow
I wonder if I am in the same game -- I'm at 1060 AD, with four wonders built -- non of the ai's have even started a wonder!

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I am with you, the AI has not been aggressive with respect to wonders this game. I think that all they have in my game is GL, MPE and Lighthouse, while I have Pyramids, Mike's, Leonardo, STWA, Copernicus, and JSBach. Plus, I am nearly completed with Isaac Newton and Magellan.

What's even stranger is that I established an embassy with the Zulu about 1780 or so. They only have one city! What's up with that?

Originally posted by Marlos


I am with you, the AI has not been aggressive with respect to wonders this game. I think that all they have in my game is GL, MPE and Lighthouse, while I have Pyramids, Mike's, Leonardo, STWA, Copernicus, and JSBach. Plus, I am nearly completed with Isaac Newton and Magellan.

What's even stranger is that I established an embassy with the Zulu about 1780 or so. They only have one city! What's up with that?

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You let them get MarcoPolo? For shame... That would answer your question about the Zulus, for one...

My game started bad - I had a Chariot from the visible hut, but lost it to a Barb Horse less than ten turns later! I think I was on a hill too. Several Scrolls of Ancient Wisdom greatly delayed my tech path to Monarchy, and I waffled way too long on getting started with a ScienceCity. Luckily, the Celts took out the Mongols early on and I found and plugged the bottleneck to the south. I was out all last week, but I hope to make up time this week with the holidays (of course, there's always the HoneyDo list waiting for me...).

A game-to-date log is below. I have played through 1826 at this point, but have only posted my log through 1750. Will post the rest later!

3950 BC - Found Berlin (one square south of starting point)
3850 BC - Livy ranks Germans 5th in power
3750 BC - Hut (archer)
3600 BC - Discover Alphabet
3550 BC - Hut SE of Berlin (Pottery)
3250 BC - Hut SE of Berlin (horseman)
3050 BC - Disband warrior in Berlin to aid in settler production and reduce assigned shields; Mongols destroyed by Celts
2750 BC - Discover Ceremonial Burial (effect of Pottery scroll!)
2600 BC - Found Leipzig
2300 BC - Hut (horsemen)
2200 BC - Discover Code of Laws
2100 BC - Hut (advanced tribe - Hamburg)
2000 BC - First contact with Americans, sign treaty, exchange Pottery for Masonry
1900 BC - Locate New York
1850 BC - Hut NE of Hamburg (chariot)
1800 BC - American warrior sneak attacks and defeats horsemen
1550 BC - Discover Monarchy, revolution! Livy ranks Germans 3rd happiest, Americans 5th
1450 BC - Frederick named King!
1400 BC - Found Konigsberg
1300 BC - Found Frankfurt
1250 BC - Barbarians land near Frankfurt (undefended! )
1200 BC - Begin GW in Konigsberg; Pay barbarians 63 gold to keep them from sacking Frankfurt (only because I have researched no techs to date that allow a more advanced military unit than a warrior)
1000 BC - First contact with Celts; sign treaty
975 BC - Hut (advanced tribe - Munich)
875 BC - Barbarian archer appears near Munich
800 BC - Archer defeats horsemen defending Munich, Munich destroyed
775 BC - Begin GW in Frankfurt
725 BC - Discover Writing
700 BC - Herodotus ranks Germans 3rd most advanced, Celts 1st, Americans 2nd; population 200,000
650 BC - Found Heidelburg
575 BC - Found Nuremburg; Celts begin Pyramids
500 BC - Discover Mysticism
400 BC - Bribe Celtic phalanx SE of Nuremburg; population 300,000
375 BC - Aztecs begin Pyramids
275 BC - Bribe Celtic horsemen S of Nuremberg (NON!); discover Feudalism
250 BC - Begin GW in Berlin;
175 BC - Americans send an emissary, offer cease fire, refuse, accept when they teach me Map Making, offer treaty, refuse, accept when they give me 250 gold, trade Mysticism for Bronze Working
75 BC - Establish American embassy (despotism, 2 cities, 11 techs, researching Literacy); switch Konigsberg from GW to Pyramids
50 BC - Bribe Celtic horsemen SE of Nuremberg (NON!)
25 BC - Pyramids completed! ; Celts change to HG, Aztecs switch to GL
1 AD - Found Cologne; STATS (8 cities, 12 techs, 25 units [3 settlers], 2 units lost in battle); Celts complete HG in Cardiff
60 - Discover Literacy; locate Caernarfon
80 - Found Hannover
120 - Establish Celtic embassy (monarchy, 6 cities, 13 techs, researching Mathematics); American warrior sneak attacks and defeats unfortified NON horsemen near New York; Celts discover Mathematics
180 - Population 500,000
200 - Hut on pole (nomad - NON!)
240 - Hut E of Hannover (barbarians!)
260 - Discover Philosophy, discover Currency; bribe American archer near New York (NON!)
280 - New York revolts! Acquire Horseback Riding; American request cease fire, accept, request treaty, decline, accept when they add 50 gold; switch Berlin from GW to Colossus; found Bremen with NON settler; Celts develop The Wheel
300 - Population 600,000
320 - Found Stuttgart; hut S of Bremen (legion)
360 - Hut S of Bremen (elephant - NON!)
380 - Aztecs switch from GL to Colossus, Aztecs begin GL; population 700,000
420 - Colossus completed in Berlin! Aztecs abandon Colossus; switch Frankfurt from GW to STWA
440 - STWA completed in Frankfurt! Population 800,000
460 - Locate Ulundi (it is orange! )
480 - Locate Tintagel; begin Oracle in Leipzig; population 900,000
500 - Hut on single-square island S of Hannover (chariot); begin Oracle in Hannover
520 - Discover Seafaring; subvert Tintagel for 164 gold, acquire Mathematics
540 - First barbarian leader captured near New York; Celts develop Feudalism
560 - Hut SW of Bremen (settler - NON!); hut E of Tintagel (100 gold); Tacitus ranks Germans "most advanced", Celts 2nd, Americans 5th
580 - Hut (scroll - Construction)
620 - Locate Philadelphia
640 - Locate Atlanta
660 - Hut SE of Ulundi (advanced tribe - Bonn); population 1,000,000
680 - Found Salzburg; first contact with Carthaginians
700 - Philadelphia revolts! Found Dortmund with NON settler
720 - Locate Washington
760 - Atlanta revolts!
780 - RB catapult in Tintagel due to Celtic troop buildup
800 - Celts capture Tintagel with several chariots, acquire Philosophy; Carthaginians sneak attack, defeat NON elephant near Ulundi, destroy Bonn
820 - Celts request 100 gold in tribute, decline, war continues
940 - Found Brandenburg
960 - Bribe barbarian crusader near Ulundi (NON!); found Wiesbaden; Carthaginians complete Lighthouse in Carthage
1000 - Establish Carthaginian embassy (despotism, 6 cities, 14 techs, researching Mathematics); STATS (18 cities, 20 techs, 60 units [10 settlers], 19 units lost in battle)
1020 - Bribe two Celtic knight (NONs!) NE of Tintagel
1040 - Discover Monotheism
1060 - Steal Iron Working from Celts; lose trireme to barbarian horsemen near Wiesbaden
1080 - Found Magdeburg; Celts develop Construction; Americans send emissary, decline audience
1100 - Lose trireme to Celtic catapult on hilly terrain (down to one trireme!), Celtic catapult then defeats NON veteran knight near Tintagel
1120 - Carthaginians demand 500 gold in tribute, I refuse
1140 - Land NON crusader and archer at Ulundi, crusader defeats fortified Carthaginian archer; St. Augustine ranks Germans "largest", Celts 2nd, Carthaginians 4th, Americans 5th; Celts demand 150 gold in tribute, I refuse
1160 - Destroy Ulundi
1200 - Bribe Carthaginian elephant near Dortmund
1220 - Aztecs have nearly completed GL
1240 - Aztecs build GL in Teohuitican; Aztecs switch from GL to GW; discover Astronomy
1300 - Switch Hannover from Oracle to Michelangelo; diplomat destroys Washington's city walls; Aztecs switch from GW to MPE; found Lübeck
1320 - Washington destroyed, Americans annihilated
1340 - Begin Oracle in Berlin
1380 - Found Saarbrücken on former site of Washington; Carthaginians develop Mathematics
1420 - Found Osnabrück; Celts develop Bridge Building; discover Theology
1440 - Steal Bridge Building from Celts
1480 - Population 2,000,000; RB Michelangelo
1500 - Michelangelo completed! Switch Leipzig from Oracle to JSBach; STATS (22 cities, 25 techs, 85 units [13 settlers], 29 units lost in battle)
1540 - Tintagel revolts! Acquire Chivalry; begin Oracle in Nuremberg
1550 - Aztecs complete MPE in Tenochtitlan
1570 - Discover The Wheel; first contact with Aztecs, give secret of Philosophy (since they approach Dortmund with a diplomat), sign treaty
1580 - Locate Caerphilly, Brandenburg destroyed by barbarians
1590 - Found Halle
1620 - Locate Leptis Parva
1630 - Hut on pole (100 gold); locate Malaca
1640 - Locate Cartenna; locate Tenochtitlan
1650 - Caenarfon revolts! Found Wuppertal; locate Rusicade; Celts develop Engineering, undertake KRC; Celtic emissary demands 150 tribute, refuse, war continues
1660 - Population 3,000,000; Carthaginians develop Code of Laws; discover Engineering
1670 - Carthaginian emissary demands The Wheel, refuse, offer cease fire, refuse
1680 - Locate Teotihuacan
1690 - JSBach completed! Found Greifswald
1700 - Found Gelsenkirchen; hut on island SW of Carthaginian lands (advanced tribe - Augsburg)
1710 - Bribe Celtic knight for 160 gold (NON!), then defeat two Celtic units, but Celtic catapult with red strength bar defeats knight and diplomat
1720 - Locate Armagh, Tlatelolco, Texcoco
1730 - Bribe barbarian chariot S of Saarbrücken (NON!); begin Oracle in Hamburg; barbarians capture Bielefeld!
1750 - STATS (28 cities, 28 techs, 118 units [16 settlers], 45 units lost in battle); locate Carmarthen; liberate Bielefeld; discover Invention

Generally, it seems that the AI is very passive (although they continually are declaring war on me!) this game with respect to expansion and wonders (as I mentioned in my last post).

Also, the research seems slow. Perhaps because the purple civ (Mongols) were knocked out so early? Does anyone replace the key civ when they are knocked out?

Originally posted by Old n Slow
I wonder if I am in the same game -- I'm at 1060 AD, with four wonders built -- non of the ai's have even started a wonder!

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Originally posted by Marlos
I am with you, the AI has not been aggressive with respect to wonders this game.

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I am surprised as well. I do not recall the AI ever being so aggressive in wonder building. I have played till 1850 and the AI has built the following wonders: All ancients except Colossus and Great Library, Sun Tzu, King Richard, Magellan, Statue of Liberty, Eiffel tower, Darwin, and Suffrage. That is 12 in total! In contrast I have 11 wonders. Carthaginians just started UN which forced me to start it too. I hope to be able to beat them to it.

In 1850 I have 40 cities, only a few more than the 33-34 I had in early 1700s. I have spent most of the time on creating new trade routes, improving the terrain, and building infrastructure. I have many factories, offshore platforms, mass transits, universities, supermarkers, and stock exchanges. I have just started building airports. I am currently researching Rocketry. There are only a few techs left to reserach. I have all the cities I am going to build on the main continent. I have 8 cities in nearby islands and still looking for new sites to build.

Mongols were model neighbors till early 1700s. Then they started behaving like Mongols! Fortunately, besides subverting their city of Kashgar near a bottleneck I built a fort there. They kept throwing Knights, Crusaders, Cavalry, and Artillery against the fort. I killed all of them without a single casualty. As soon as I had tanks and howitzers I attacked and took well defended Karakorum. My senate forced a cease fire and Mongols have been model neighbors since.

Aztecs have landed a settler on my continent who is just wandering around. Otherwise they have been peaceful. They have 5 big cities on their continent. I am heavily trading with those. They have built more wonders than the rest of the AI.

Carthaginians were also peaceful and my second trade partner till just a few turns ago when they launched a surprise attack against one of my 3 cities in an island south of their continent. They captured the city and stole Advanced flight. I took the city back within a couple of turns thanks to my navy. But I am worried about the loss of Advanced flight when no one else even has flight.

Zulu are still in the game with 2-3 cities. They too are at war with me though it is an inactive war.