Recruiting Provincial Governors

Shaitan

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The provincial borders poll will reach 48 hours later this morning and has already reached quorum. This will create 2 immediate openings for Provincial Governors. Any citizen who does not already hold a Leadership position (Department Leader, Judiciary, Governor) will be considered for these spots. I will be recruiting 3 governor candidates at this time. Two will be put forward as governor appointees for the new provinces that have 3 or more cities (South East and South West provinces). The last will be online for the next available province (or one of these first 2 provinces in the unlikely event that one of the appointees is not confirmed by the Council).

If you are interested in holding one of Fanatikas most powerful and influencial positions please PM me or reply in this thread. State which province you prefer and what qualifications you have for the position. Also state what your current responsibilities include (what jobs you have right now).
 
While D.1.F.1 of the CoL allows for the appoinment of governors when a defined province grows to threes cities it can be argued that the governorships of newly created provinces can (and should) be filled by special election. The current situation will see a duly elected governor's powers cut down as his province officially becomes a one city capital district. The power lost by the elected governor will fall to one appointed by the president. (Get your shield ready Mr. President because more arrows are coming!) Our descent down the slippery slope towards despotism accelerates. I call for our President to strike a blow to restore the *demo* to the demo game and hold special elections for the governorships of the three new provinces. These elections should be open to ALL citizens of Fanatika. Current leaders should not be excluded as they have every right to resign their current positions should they be elected governor and choose to accept that office.
 
@donsig: our rules say they are not allowed to run for more than 1 position. allowing the to run for governorship will lead to a resigment boom in the departments.
thats why the appointing governors during midterm practice arose. next elections will be settling elected governors, and the populace may show their discontent with the appointed leaders by not accepting them in the upcoming acceptance polls.

btw:
i would volunteer as interim governor for the capitol province until the next elections if no other solution is found and/or our fine governor fionn is needed for another province which his capabilities would better suit form.

nevertheless i suppose that province could also be governed by the domestic leader or the vice president with no poblem (first wont need a rulechange, later would)
 
While I can sympathise with your sentiment, I generally disagree with your proposed process. Vacant leadership positions are filled by appointment for the purpose of expediency. I strongly agree with this. I will also not appoint a sitting leader to a vacant position as that will simply create a new vacancy. I am also pleased with my cabinet at this point and do not want to lose the experience in any of those positions as a new leader ramps up into the job.

There will actually be 2 new governors, not 3, as the northern province has only 2 cities.

EDIT: This was a response to donsig's post. disorganizer's too fast for me to beat. ;)
 
i want to be governor of the big valley because it looks like a peacefull province and that it has former aztec cities(i love aztecs). i will go for a peacefull commercial and cultural strategy, but i will also follow the citizen demands.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
While I can sympathise with your sentiment, I generally disagree with your proposed process. Vacant leadership positions are filled by appointment for the purpose of expediency. I strongly agree with this. I will also not appoint a sitting leader to a vacant position as that will simply create a new vacancy. I am also pleased with my cabinet at this point and do not want to lose the experience in any of those positions as a new leader ramps up into the job.

We wanted expediency in filling vacant positions when leaders disappeared after first neglecting thier duties. Expediency is called for in those circumstances. The creation of new provinces, where the cities are being governed already by someone, is different. There is no pressing need as the cities have not been neglegted. in this case the citizens lose in the trade off between democracy and expediency. :(
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
@donsig: our rules say they are not allowed to run for more than 1 position. allowing the to run for governorship will lead to a resigment boom in the departments.
thats why the appointing governors during midterm practice arose. next elections will be settling elected governors, and the populace may show their discontent with the appointed leaders by not accepting them in the upcoming acceptance polls.

A leader would only have to resign his position if he or she choose to run for two different gubernatorial positions. Running in one election is allowed for leaders. BTW, the leader wouldn't have to resign unless he or she actually won the gubernatorial election . Even then the leader could still choose whether to become governor or remain in the current position.
As for the acceptence poll, is that mandatory or will the appointments be confirmed by council vote?
 
I think the rules explicitly state a citizen acceptance poll to be needed for all appointed leader positions. But we will have to look that one up (at least it was handled like that before).
That was the spirit behind choosing to allow appointments for leaders being made.
Now if we apply normal election rules, we wont have governors for those provinces for the next week, which will lead to the domestic department posting queues for all cities except bavaria.
And those elected governors would only be in duty for 1/2 term.

@trader/warrior:
i dont believe the province will be peaceful :-) we have 2 targets for our aggression neighboring that province... so soon there will be military needs to overrule the cultural needs. again.
 
There is no acceptance poll for appointments. Candidates are confirmed by the Council. I will, however, post confidence polls for each of my appointees so the citizens can vote on whether they think each appointee is capable of running a province.
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
i would volunteer as interim governor for the capitol province until the next elections if no other solution is found and/or our fine governor fionn is needed for another province which his capabilities would better suit form.

nevertheless i suppose that province could also be governed by the domestic leader or the vice president with no poblem (first wont need a rulechange, later would)

This all depends on how Bohemia is defined. The current governor's office has always governed Bavaria as our first governor was elected specifically to govern our first province which initially contained only Bavaria once it was built. It has been assumed by some that Valhalla and Morgana were also in the first province (Bohemia). Personally I have never accepted that interpretation. Since borders were never subsequently defined it follows that the cities subsequently built were not in any defined province. Once the capital district proposal goes into effect our current governor will become governor of the capital district. If we continue to exclude current leaders from consideration for the new gubernatorial offices then the current governor is stuck with one city to govern. This is part of the reason I am calling for special elections for ALL new provinces. We once again have a situation where our current laws do not adequately meet a new situation. This will be a true test of democracy.
 
I will bid for the Governorship of the Eastern Gate Province (to be named later). I'm kind of swamped for time, but Ill do my best.
 
@donsig:
thats why i posted that i do it if needed and if our current governor decides to take another province. of course it is up to the governor of the now-bavaria-dc to decide to resign that governor position and be reassigned to another province by the president :-)
propably that would exactly be what i would propose btw., as i believe the governor was elected to cope with the amount of cities we had in that province at election time.
the exact wording of my post is therefor important this time :-))
 
While I do not oppose the appointment process, I do wonder if it is a foregone conclusion that our only elected governor, Fionn, is to have his gubernatorial reach reduced to the capitol province?

I would think that as an elected governor of what was previously the entirety of our kingdom, he should at least have the right to choose which of the new provinces he will be governing for the remainder of this term.
 
I second FortyJ's proposal. Our president should ask Fionn which province he would like to govern and then moove him to that province. It would be wasted potential otherwise.
And for that case, my above offer stands.
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
I second FortyJ's proposal. Our president should ask Fionn which province he would like to govern and then moove him to that province. It would be wasted potential otherwise.
And for that case, my above offer stands.

There is no law that allows for a governor to swap a province.
 
yes it is. Indirectly.
Lets say the pres come to a conclusion with the governor that he wants to have another province.
The governor then resigns. Now the president appoints him for the one he chose.

Its as easy as that :-P
 
Donsig
I defy you to show me which province Fionn was elected to. It seems to me that since the province of Bohemia has yet to be defined, he was, in essence, elected to govern all of our kingdom.

With that in mind, his "selection" of provinces would be nothing more than determining which of our newly created provinces will be called Bohemia and would be his to govern for the remainder of the term.
 
I have resigned as Judge Advocate.

I would like to be considered for appointment to the governorship of the province that Tlaxcala is in. The latest census shows only two citizens living in this province and as I'm one of them I am aware of the area's needs.
 
Originally posted by FortyJ
Donsig
I defy you to show me which province Fionn was elected to. It seems to me that since the province of Bohemia has yet to be defined, he was, in essence, elected to govern all of our kingdom.

With that in mind, his "selection" of provinces would be nothing more than determining which of our newly created provinces will be called Bohemia and would be his to govern for the remainder of the term.

I thought I just did that in an earlier post. I realize my interpretation is not the same as everyone's. Unfortunately, since I've had to resign from the bench in order to even be considered for a governorship, my interpreation is only as good as the next person's. I imagine it will be up to the judiciary to settle this by giving their interpretation.
 
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