FA Proposal: United Front Against Indian Aggression

eyrei · Jan 9, 2003

The foolish Indians attacked us without provocation. They need to be destroyed.

Because we will need to focus many of our units taking back the cities in the north that the Indians captured, we will need someone to occupy them while we do so. Afterwards, we can eliminate them from the game.

I propose the following alliance deals:

Iroquois

We give gems, 4gpt and world map

Russians

We give a new peace treaty, RoP (the Russians will likely be fighting the Indians in our territory), and incense

Babylonians

We give a new peace treaty and 25gpt.

China

We give 37 gpt

Total cost of alliances: 66gpt, gems, and incense.

This will give the Indians plenty to worry about, and they should start losing cities pretty quickly, which means that reinforcements are unlikely for their northern armies. This is hardly a final proposal, but a poll must be posted very soon.

FionnMcCumhall · Jan 9, 2003

Domestic supports this plan

Chieftess · Jan 9, 2003

*phew* I think that extra 100gpt came in handy!

I support it, except I'm concerned about retaking our cities from the Russians (again). We do have more culture than them...

Cyc · Jan 9, 2003

Sounds good to me. I'd definitely like to get our cities back and take some land on our southern border.

Immortal · Jan 9, 2003

I fully support our great leader Eyrei's proposal.

FortyJ · Jan 9, 2003

One word... Genocide!

Let no Indian warrior leave our cities alive.

Send the messengers to each leader on the fastest horses we have and let none of them return without an alliance to report. Together, we shall rid the western hemisphere of the vile Indian menace.

By the way... anyone notice that solitary American Musket roaming around near Morgana?

Chieftess · Jan 9, 2003

If that musket dares to enter our territory, we need a treaty. India had no treaty with us (except for a plain peace treaty) when they invaded. America has none either. This is just what I talked about when I was governress of Taliesin...

FionnMcCumhall · Jan 9, 2003

oops wrong thread

jorge_roberto · Jan 9, 2003

The alliance with Chine is too expensive. I think the others are enougth.

Chieftess · Jan 9, 2003

China is to the south... and much of their units are headed for Persia. Much of the south is jungle (half of India), but some jungle and hills border China. Expensive or not, that means letting some Chinese troops back in our borders. That means, we need a new enemy, or they WILL attack like the Indians did. The other delima is, if we do sign a MA, We'll be competing with China for the American lands if we go to war with them next.

eyrei · Jan 9, 2003

I am going to go ahead and post a 'yes', 'no', 'abstain' poll on this subject. I would prefer more discussion, but time constraints do not allow for it.

Shaitan · Jan 9, 2003

I think this is a fine plan. Ideally we want to go it alone against our target so we can declare peace at the best opportunity. In this particular case, we definitely need some help and assurance that we won't get dominoed.

Falcon02 · Jan 9, 2003

I agree with the Iro and Russian plans, but I'm not sure about the Chinese and Bab plan.

I'm wary to give away that many gpt, even with such an exess. Also, with the Iro. that means we will have to defend our Gems VERY well, we lose those, we could lose the alliance, and there's already a SoD nearby.

Eklektikos · Jan 9, 2003

Deperate times call for desperate measures, Falc. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't be inclined to spend that much money on alliances either, but with herds of angry elephant rampaging across our ill-defended hinterland I don't think we have much choice. It's not that I believe that we couldn't eventually eject them and reclaim our lands without the aid of those civs, I just think that we'd lose a greater number of cities in the short term and have a harder job rebuilding in the long run without providing the Indians with a major distraction closer to home.

FortyJ · Jan 9, 2003

Is it not possible that some of these deals will get less expensive as more people join the fight? Or am I just being optimistic?

Either way, these payments are small potatoes compared to the swift and enduring pressure that we will be able to bring to bear on Gandhi and his minions.

and Falcon...
Are you implying that we don't need to defend Dapperdan so aggressively without such an alliance?

India's largest concentration of forces appears to be located on the spine of mountains seperating the North and Southwest provinces. Not only is Dapperdan the prime location for a staging area for any counterattacks in the Northern theater, if we can resupply Dapperdan and maneuver the Indians into an assault on that nicely walled town (who was it that asked why we were building walls there...?

), we may well find earlier success in the north than if they decide to move off in a different direction, say towards Valhalla and Bavaria....

On the other hand, if we lose Dapperdan, we lose our gems which are already being traded around the world, and it becomes much more difficult to eradicate them from our native lands. I say the key to victory in the North lies in the defense of Dapperdan.

Plexus · Jan 9, 2003

Why couldn't we just offer the Chineese: World Map and 550 gold?

Donovan Zoi · Jan 9, 2003

I saw that too Plexus, and I talked 'em down to 540g.

The only thing I can see against that is the initial hit we may need to take to upgrade units. I think the first thing we MUST do is upgrade our pikes to muskets in Kuhkaff(3 pikes- 180g), and I am sure there are more where that came from! I will try to get a better assessment of our upgrade situation soon.

somewhat off-topic but important
@eyrei--- after this war is over, I really think we need to take into consideration the practice of not allowing any foreign units onto our sovereign lands. I don't care if the other civs are honoring our alliance or not; we need to secure our perimeters so that something like this doesn't happen again! Anyone who wants to get to the other side of the horseshoe can either sign an ROP or set sail.

Fier Canadien · Jan 9, 2003

I strongly agree with Donovan Zoi: me must not let this happen again!

On another point, in how many time do you think our cities will be liberated from the indians? Just to know how much time we need to assemble an sufficient host.

amirsan · Jan 9, 2003

Lets kill those Indians!!!!!!!

amirsan · Jan 9, 2003

Lets kill those Indians!!!!!!!
Make them eat dirt!!!!!!!!!!

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