Longevity too late?

greenie · Jan 26, 2003

Forgive me if this has been covered before, but it seems to me that the Longevity Great Wonder comes far too late in the game (Genetics).

It comes too late in the game for it to be any real boon to your population, and would seem to logically come more naturally at the discovery of Medicine and Sanitation, which might I add, has done more to prolong life than Genetic Engineering thus far in history.

Maybe battlefield medicine could be built with a later tech, or 5 hospitals and uni's (for health and education) could trigger Longevity as a Small wonder for each civ.

Any additions, or subtractions?

sabo · Jan 26, 2003

yes its' been covered, and yes you are right. You can mod it in the editor though to happen earlier, be carefull modding though because Firaxis spent alot of time trying to make this game "balance" so you dn't want to do anything that gives one civ or another an unfair advantage.

Here's an example, I wanted to bump up the hit points on all units (it makes it more realistic and less chance for a spearman to take a tank etc.) but then I felt artillery would be less effective, so I also bumped up their rate of fire by one.

farting bob · Jan 26, 2003

sabo, i have played civ for months ow, and most f the time im in modern wwars, and i have never seen a spearman take a tank. even when a elite spearman is atacked bya regular tank. everyone acts asif it appens all the time, but it dont. for the 1 time in 1000 i think it is not worth complaining about.

kb2tvl · Jan 26, 2003

I dont see the ancient age units as much anymore... since I patched ptw.

To answer your question about longevity. If your not playing the space race then the methods of winning are UN, domination, histogram, conquest. The UN might not ever cause you a win and that leaves you with slugging it out to the end. Once a civ gets sdi, they will start throwing nukes. With longevity + granary, your pop can come back 4 times faster after a nuke hit.

satchel · Jan 26, 2003

I agree that Longevity comes too late, but I also think it would be unbalancing if it came sooner. In my games, by the time longevity would be available to me, my cities are usually close to maxed out so the quicker growth is not a real benefit. But if it came sooner, at the same time hospitals become available, say, it would mean unbelievably fast economic expansion for the player who builds it.

I hadn't thought about the advantage it brings recovering from nuclear strikes; that makes it a bit more useful than I had thought. I've never had a nuclear war.

warpstorm · Jan 26, 2003

I've tried a few games with it coming with Sanitation and this is a great place for it. One player gets a moderate population boost at a time when it is real useful. Is it unbalancing? I don't think so; the teams that got it didn't always (or even usually) win. If you got it in conjunction with Pyramids, you (the human player) may have an unfair advantage, but the AI doesn't seem that much stronger for it.

sabo · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by farting bob
sabo, i have played civ for months ow, and most f the time im in modern wwars, and i have never seen a spearman take a tank. even when a elite spearman is atacked bya regular tank. everyone acts asif it appens all the time, but it dont. for the 1 time in 1000 i think it is not worth complaining about.

Well bob it did happen to me once and a long time ago, the point I was trying to make was it DOES happen and since modding my hit points I have never seen it happen again, BUT just about a month ago I had a FULL hitpoint healthy army of FOUR infantry lose to one rifleman with ONE hit point left, so believe me, it DOES happen.

MTheil3508 · Jan 26, 2003

I think it comes too late. By the time you get Genetics and build Longevity, my cities have already reached the max that they are going to grow.

I see how longevity can be helpful if you are in Despostism or Communism, but it would be better, in most instances, if you were Republic or Democracy.

satchel · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by sabo10

Well bob it did happen to me once and a long time ago, the point I was trying to make was it DOES happen and since modding my hit points I have never seen it happen again, BUT just about a month ago I had a FULL hitpoint healthy army of FOUR infantry lose to one rifleman with ONE hit point left, so believe me, it DOES happen.

Please, can we try not to divert this thread on Longevity into yet another "spearman vs. tank" thread? Please?

Turner · Jan 26, 2003

Good point, Satchel. . . cough *thread-jackers* cough cough. . . Just kidding, guys. . . .you points are both true and frustrating.

Back to Topic: Longevity is go out of my way not to get. My cities fluctuate between pop points, and it's very annoying to have them go up two down two when I don't get around there and even them out. Could it do better earlier, quite probably.

Now that I'm paying more attention to my tiles, and trying to balance them so I don't have yo-yoing, I build Longevity just for the culture, no other reason.

hbdragon88 · Jan 26, 2003

It does come too late, but it's in the right place in history. Advances in science and the development of vaccines and antibiotics have greatly boosted the population of the world and allowed all of us to live longer lives.

But for gameplay purposes, it comes too late. I'll try a mod where it comes with sanitation. Historically it wouldn't be right, but it's a game.

anonymous4401 · Jan 26, 2003

Longevity? I'm a micromanagement freak when it comes to CivIII, and if I had Longevity, it would mess up my feel for the game. If Longevity were on, I'd have about a dozen carefully micromanaged cities fluctuating between getting a surplus and starving to death every few turns.

Manock · Jan 26, 2003

Just got the game, & built the Spaceship in time to launch but at the expense of military & culture so was looking at a bleak future if wanted to keep playing.

Then read about Longevity, built it, & started using up my bunny procreating citizens to rush construction & bring my cities up to speed, & went on to militarily conquer the world.

Plus knew since a Great Wonder, only one exists, Ive got it, they dont, careful management will eventually result in success.

Doubt if could of gotten the military win without Longevity.

By the way, is there a closing cinema like with the Spaceship for a military win? You dont get one if you keep playing after a win.

hbdragon88 · Jan 26, 2003

There's a movie that plays, is that what you mean?

Knowze Gungk · Jan 26, 2003

Longevity is good for late wars, since your starving capuured cities down to One pop, it's good for a quick recovery & less likely to flip.

sabo · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by Turner_727
Good point, Satchel. . . cough *thread-jackers* cough cough. . . Just kidding, guys. . . .you points are both true and frustrating.

I don't think one post is considered "thread jacking" do you? I mean I was just trying to "enlighten" farting bob, I always thought thread jacking was when a post turns into a chat room.
One post does not constitute thread jacking as one or two newbie questions in GD by a newbie should not justify a flame to the newbie. I know your joking turner but isn't that what it is?? :confused:

Anyway I came back here to make one more comment about Longevity, I have thought about it for a while and I've been playing civ day in and day out and I've NEVER gotten it :confused:

can anyone who has gotten it tell me if it does any good, I mean it grows your cities faster at a time when all your cities are probably at max population anyway, am I right?

Manock · Jan 26, 2003

...

Therefore, I feel completely justified in sayin, hey really cool guy, if you had really cool barbies, I would like to come over and play.

I like to play with barbies, & you're a really cool guy.

Moderator Action: The only cowards hiding behind the Internet to inflict pain are trolls like you. For trolling, threadjacking and threatening other users, you are banned for 7 days. Please don't start arguments in threads, and try to stay on topic.
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sabo · Jan 27, 2003

Originally posted by sabo10

I know your joking turner but isn't that what it is??

The above post is a good time to discuss psychological harrassment, & self defense.

Therefore, I feel completely justified in sayin, hey pussy, if you had the balls to stand before me, I would knock you on your ass.
STFU, & get off my posts.

the above poster was asking a simple question, but thanks for the flame and letting everyone know how "smart" you are

I wonder if the mods know there is a new owner at CFC?

and bring it on baby, where do you live?

Klasanov · Jan 27, 2003

I honestly think Manock just described himself pretty much.

Probably why he got in so many fights in the first place.

bobgote · Jan 27, 2003

@Manock:
You are comedy value.
Can you plz send me a PM every time you post cos i need a laugh every now and then.
don't ever change, honey

Love, Bob.

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