Military Department Discussion: The Bab War

GenMarshall · Feb 21, 2003

During the last turn chat, The Babs have declared war on us. I have some plans regarding the Bab war, but first we should beef up our defenses there.

Upgrade Catapults to Cannons
Build more Riflemen and send them to the front line cities
Build Cannons and send them to the Front line cities for Defense
Build Cannons to be use for the offensive phase of the war

The first Phase of the war, we would be on defensive mode untill we gather enough units to take down a defending Bab Riflemen. The second Phase of the war would involve attacking and Capturing Bab cities and Pilliging there routes to prevent them from producing any units (Remember that Riflemen do not need resources).

Fier Canadien · Feb 21, 2003

What, did I heard right? The babs Re-Declared war! Why and when?

Being the second time they do this, I believe they deserve to be destroyed!

GenMarshall · Feb 21, 2003

Originally posted by Fier Canadien
Being the second time they do this, I believe they deserve to be destroyed!

I agree, but we should leave them one city, just to prevent us from getting a Rep hit.

Fier Canadien · Feb 21, 2003

Citizens of Fanatika, the call to arms has once again came upon our mighty people! The evil Babylonians have once again declared war on us! They defiled the Mutual Protection pact with our brothers of Greece and thus destroyed the peace treaty signed in the ruins of Uruk!

People of Fanatika, answer the call! Do not let the bastard babylonians attack us with impunity! They want us to bring them destruction, let us bring it to them quickly. May their end be bitter and shameful!

Our golden age shall smash the babylonians with the mighty power of industry! The cities of Hammurabi shall all burn under the fires of our men-at-arms!

They shall not evade our grasp! Mighty Fanatika, answer the threat of Evil Babylon!

Shaitan · Feb 21, 2003

No, they need to be destroyed utterly. So long as they have a single city left there is the danger of culture flips.

Cyc · Feb 22, 2003

I agree. I'm not worried about a meanial rep hit on the Babs, who already have a bad rep. IF we decided to take on the Babs with a frontal assault, this again would have to be an all or nothing venture. I agree with CG that we should concentrate on defense units where we can, becauase we are not prepared for a war. We are building at the begining of our GA/Industrial Era. Let's strengthen our reserves and then if we are in the position to eliminate the Babs it would be a blow against the Cultural War in this game.

Eklektikos · Feb 22, 2003

As far as I'm concerned we have two viable options. We can either beef up our western borders and decide to attack their units in the field for promotion and GL generation purposes without trying to take their actual cities, or we can wipe them from the face of the earth. Anything between those two extremes will most likely prove a waste of time given the power of the Bab culture. Either of those choices would be good at this point, since the Babs have now categoricaly proven that they cannot even be trusted to abide by the terms of a treaty for more than a very few turns.

Octavian X · Feb 22, 2003

I am going to remain un-optimistic about chances of sucess in a Babylonian war. Their culture may have diminished, but it is still very high.

I would rather beef up defenses, send a few elites to try and get a GL, and wait for panzers to invade.

Cheetah · Feb 22, 2003

In a 5 turns time Hafen Land will pump out one cannon a turn and one rifle every second turn

Plexus · Feb 22, 2003

The Babs must die!

roadcage · Feb 22, 2003

Clearly, promotions to Elite and GL farming is the highest and best use of this opportunity given by the Babs. There is no reason to pursue them furthur.

Grandmaster · Feb 22, 2003

How far are we from Panzers? If we could get them reasonably soon, I would agree with Octavian on sitting back, farming the Babs in the field for GL's, and waiting before launching an offensive. However, if thats not an option, then I say launch a partial offensive to permanently cripple them, and then try to get the best peace you can. If culture is too much of a threat, then take the small rep hit and destroy them.

GenMarshall · Feb 22, 2003

GM & Oct: Hense the First Phase of this war is to beef up our defenses on the Bab border.

Octavian X · Feb 23, 2003

I still discourage an all out offensive for reasons mentioned in previous discussions about attacking Hammurabi.

Any cities we capture will likely flip back. Their culture may have diminished, but they are still stonger culturally than us. Any attacks on their larger cities will be near immpossible to carry out: size 7+ cities + rifles + fortification + the draft + railroads bringing new defenses = damn near impossibility.

Razing the cities will result in a flood of foeign settlers using the rails to found new cities.

A Babylonian war should only be used for GL farming, nothing more.

GenMarshall · Feb 23, 2003

Hmm, looks like a Defensive posture is our only hope. We can send out Cavalry units out to attack other units. if an Elite Cavalry unit creates a GL then it can escourt it bacj home.

Immortal · Feb 23, 2003

LET THE STREETS OF UR RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE BABYLONIANS. We must capture the city of babylon itself as well, in it holds a vital key in our victory!

Shaitan · Feb 23, 2003

We can also help our worker situation by assaulting the Babs and razing cities instead of capturing. No danger of culture flips and Hammy's power definitely spirals downward.

Feodor Ardent · Feb 23, 2003

I would hesitate to waste our Golden Age producing units for a war we are going win in the future, with better technology, at less cost. Let's go for the defensive action, with rifleman covering our cavalry to minimize attrition.

The Babs are living on borrowed time, without the finances or resources to threaten us. We have more important things to do than to pile up casualties trying to take cities that we will be capturing with some ease in a later epoch.

Goonie · Feb 23, 2003

Its funny how during the first babylonian war, I was the only voice for razing, now the ones who were opposed to it, are all for it!

Feodor Ardent · Feb 23, 2003

Congratulations on your new city, Goonie. Garrison it well!

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