GoM3 log(possible spoilers)

Well,I must be a fanatic also as I decided to play a few more turns last night after reaching 1 ad.Next thing I know,I'm finished.Bummer.

I have a problem though.I saved after I bribed the last city.Game ended fine.Gave me the particulars etc.

I think:I wonder if it will give the same score if I load my final save in MGE.I load er up..BUT...The game won't end.Hmmm..I load it back up in classic and same deal.It won't end.I guess I should have saved BEFORE bribing that last city.Fortunately I took a screen shot of my final score.

So..several things could happen:
1.The screenshot will be counted
2.Play the whole thing over-not good as I now know the map
3.Replay from my 1000ad save.My game ends in 1040ad..only 2 turns to replay.

Here is a kinda,sorta but not really game log:

4000-1 settler heads for hut.1 heads southeast.
3950-hut-horseman.
3900-another hut uncovered and a river.Will found cap on the river and build 2nd city in starting spot
3850-hut-horseman
3750-hut-chariot-
3700-Trondheim and Kaupang founded.Trondheim has iron and wine.possibly more specials to be mined.In fact I can almost guarantee it.
3550-hut-advanced tribe with whale and silk!bonus-just misses 2 other specials-I won’t move it as this is bloodlust
3500-Burial researched-quick adjustment to game options to rid myself of the civlopedia and auto save.
3450-contact Sioux-peace
hut-horseman
3400-capture Little Bighorn(undefended),take Horseback Riding-No more Sioux.1 down.Hope no restart is on.
3350-hut-horseman(supported)
hut-wandering nomad
3300-Greeks destroyed by Zulus-2 down
3250-found Hladir-5 cities down all with specials-looks good
hut-archer-(supported)
3200-hut-barb horse-terminated-my horsie>veteran
3150-Alphabet
2900-Laws
2700-Aarhus founded
2650-Monarchy-right on the oedo year means revolution is “instant” and Monarchy established.
2600-hut-archer(non)
2400-a mediumish island.Would be nice for perfectionist run for space but that ain’t gonna happen
2300-Pottery
2100-found Viborg
2050-Currency
1800-Trade
1750-found Roskilde
1500-Map Making
Council
Military-build barracks
Science-All the world marvels..
Trade-build markets
Foreign-go explore
Domestic-wants luxuries..I don’t think so
1200-Seafaring
1000-Hanging Gardens
975-Collosus
found The Udal
950-Writing
825-2 pheasants mined in Trondheim
800-Warrior Code
650-Feudalism-I could go for Chivalry now as this map doesn’t look too big but I’m gonna have a little fun
found Lindholm
600-hut-25 gold
525-found Jorvik
hut-Literacy
hut-archer(supported)
475-War Academy
450-Mysticism
425-hut-The Wheel
hut-nomad
350-found Westness
325-hut-100 gold
coming under heavy barbarian attacks.holding out so far.No losses but no leaders
300-Philosophy>Polytheism
275-hut-advanced tribe-going to disband and move 1 square
225-The Lighthouse
200-hut-nomad
150-contact Persia-gift Map Making-peace
125-found Ravning Enge and Birka
75-Masonry
50-Marco Polo’s Embassy-trade Aztecs for Math-peace-only 3 civs left
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1AD-15 cities,22 techs,5 wonders
council
military-build walls
science-yipee!
trade-build markets
foreign-the gods adore you
domestic-give me luxuries

Trade Egypt for Construction-share maps
20-found Jorvik and Sigtuna
80-found Odense
140-bribe Persopolis from the barbs for 260 gold-size 4 with 5 archers
share maps with Egypt and Persia-they are too puny to conquer!only 5 cities between them
180-Monotheism
hut-crusader(supported)
220-Zulus sneak attack!sink my VET trireme with a settler @#$% silly little nation
240-Mich’s Chapel
Persia pays 150 gold tribute
300-bribe Parsargadae for 107
340-hut-50 gold
found Lunde
360-barb leader 150
380-Engineering
400-King Richard’s Crusade
420-bribe Susa 104-Persians destroyed
440-hut-50 gold
460-hut-25 gold
480-Zulus capture Jarlshof..they have no idea..Zimbabwe just sitting there with no walls and I just happen to have 5 trireme loads of troops nearby
500-Zimbabwe falls-Great Library and Oracle captured
560-Invention
bribe Ulundi 324-get 69 back + barracks,warrior and archer
640-capture Hlobane
bribe back Jarlshof 73
660-Leonardo’s Workshop
Zulus want a ceasefire
700-Aztecs pay 50 tribute
740-Iron Working
capture Isandhlwana
Aztecs pay 50 tribute
760-Aztecs pay 50 tribute
800-capture Ngome
sign ceasefire with Zulus
Aztecs pay 75
820-Aztecs pay 50
sneak attack Mongols
bribe Bapedi 240
840-Aztecs pay 50
860-Great Wall-nothin else to build right now
capture Intombe
900-Bridge Building
capture Swazi
920-acquire The Republic via captured Great Library
940-launch Operation Eradicate Aztecs
raze Calixtlahuaca
980-capture Teotihuacan-no more Zulus
1000-barb leader 150
council
Military-we need barracks
Science-all the world marvels..whats left of it
Trade-discover Banking
Foreign-evil tidings m’lord
Domestic-we need temples and luxuries although we have no unhappy citizens
1020-capture Tlatelolco
1040-Gunpowder
capture Tenochtitlan and The Pyramids
bribe Tlaxcala-Aztecs destroyed
world conquered

final score

My final score was around 343 or something (44%). I never play emperor level.

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This is strange...

I got the excact same score as you Smash.

I know there is a bug about saving the game after the last city is captured, but I saved just before I took the last city.

Also when I took the last city the game didn`t end, I had to retire to finish

The "first" time I finished it went normally."your civlization has conquered the world blah blah"
But the save,when reloaded,wouldn't end.

The only thing I have seen in past is there is 1 settler "hiding" somewhere.But that wasn't the case in my game.

I did save before taking the last city,but when I saw I had to press enter before the game would end,I figured this would be a better save and overwrote my previous one.WRONG

I wonder if we compare our games we might find clues as to how the conquer bonus is awarded.I think it is safe to say our games and civs are not identical....

I wonder if we compare our games we might find clues as to how the conquer bonus is awarded.I think it is safe to say our games and civs are not identical....

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Well I finished in 1140ad and had 694 points before I took the last city. My final score was 1540.

I loaded my 1000ad save to see what happened if I finished then.(I was just waiting to celebrate my cities to size 8 ) This time I had 441 points before I took the last city, but my final score was still 1540...

[This message has been edited by Knigget (edited April 03, 2001).]


[This message has been edited by Knigget (edited April 03, 2001).]

Good work Smash (and Knigget). I don't have the conversion tables to hand (you'll have to ask Matrix for that), but I guess people will have to get a GOTM score of over 7000 to beat you. Or does it... ?

Actually this raises an interesting issue, because the GOTM scoring system already includes an early finish bonus, and this will be on top of the game's own early finish bonus. Should both be included? If "yes", then if the GOTM bonus for the year 1040 CE is actually x4.47 (as I estimate), Knigget scores 6879 with both bonuses. If "no", he scores 1970 with just the GOTM bonus.

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Actually this raises an interesting issue, because the GOTM scoring system already includes an early finish bonus, and this will be on top of the game's own early finish bonus. Should both be included? If "yes", then if the GOTM bonus for the year 1040 CE is actually x4.47 (as I estimate), Knigget scores 6879 with both bonuses. If "no", he scores 1970 with just the GOTM bonus.

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Good point.

Also because the early finish bonus that is built into the game is buggy its probably a good idea to remove it...

Smash, what were your stats? (just curiouse)

Population?
# of cities
# of techs
etc.

pop=4,340,000-only 1 aquaduct and never changed from Monarchy.
cities=34
techs=29
154%

My running score at 1000ad is 405.The score in the save that won't end is:bonus score 1540.Somehow that recognizes I have finshed.

So Kniggets civ is a little better/bigger but I finish a little earlier and we get the same score.Hmmm....
I had 1 civ conquered by the Zulus.It was the Greeks although the PG says English.
Did you(Knigget) have any civs conquered by other ais?
Since our scores our the same,I would surmize you also had 1 civ conquered by an AI.
If not,it gets more mysterious than clear.

No I took all of them out myself

My PG says Carthaginians, and I played against the greeks also(of course)

Anyway to settle the bonus score issue I loaded my 1000ad save again and I played until 1140 without increasing my points. This time I had 466 points when I took the last city, but my final score was still 1540.

So 694 and 466 points give the same final score on the same turn. This must be a bug.



[This message has been edited by Knigget (edited April 04, 2001).]

Well no I don't think its a bug.The manual says the game compares the scores(running and bonus) and awards the higher of the 2.

Geez I was hoping for a clue to exact amount awarded per civ...but....The manual says it gives points for the # of civs conquered and the speed.

It would be easy if was 50 points per civ and 10 points per game turn left but NO that would be too simple....

Maybe its a fixed bonus on intervals of turns.

Example: 1540 from 1000ad to 1250ad

and so on

OK I`ve found that there is a cap to the bonus before turn 250. After that it decreases by 2 per turn. At least in this game.

I figured out how it works. The bonus depends on map size, number of civs in the game, difficulty level and finishing turn. It doesnt matter who killed the civs.

A table for medium map, emperor level:

<TABLE BORDER=1>
<TR>
<TH>CIVS</TH>
<TH>TURN 420</TH>
<TH>TURN 250</TH>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD>2</TD> <TD>900</TD> <TD>1240</TD>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD>3</TD> <TD>1000</TD> <TD>1340</TD>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD>4</TD> <TD>1100</TD> <TD>1440</TD>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD>5</TD> <TD>1200</TD> <TD>1540</TD>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD>6</TD> <TD>1300</TD> <TD>1640</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

The bonus per turn is:

(1640-1300)/(420-250)=2 (just for these settings)

So for every turn before 420 you get 2 more bonus points. This stops at turn 250 if you have "dont restart eliminated civs" turned on.

[This message has been edited by Knigget (edited April 05, 2001).]

Mwahahahaha! Even though I'm not quick conquering, I have a pet city, and I'm going to build up my population. It's about 1750 right now, and I have 141%, and I'm just started! Mwahahaha!

Smash and Knigget, could you post your powergraphs? Thanks.

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I dont have anywhere to upload it...

Ever have a game totally turn around?

I was ruling the GOTM 3 and the next thing I know the Zulus are WAY ahead of me in tech!!! And my conquest has been stopped short, because they got gunpowder. I still am the only on with Leadership but Musketter behind City walls, destroys me. I do have 2 cities on their contient and they are heavly defended. I did have to cut off the roads though in order to stop their attacks. The Persians are pushovers....They Elephants are no match for me but they are also at war with the Zulus so it's a good idea to keep them around.

Some good things have popped up recently. I got 2 advanced tribes. A size 3 with a marketplace, temple, grainery, and library. And a size 4 with a temple, marketplace, and grainery, and disorder to boot! Anyway.....I guess diplos will be used to LEVEL the playing field, get rid of those walls. My Great Wall recently expired so I have to rebuild most of my walls. And the Zulus also have Ironclads!!! The keep bombing my costal cities. But I have a few costal fortresses now and they are going down!!!

I don't know if I'll be able to win this GOTM either.

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Not turn around but get bogged down.

Been playin a fun 20x230 deity game where I was militarily rolling along.I got a tad lazy and left an avenue open after taking a city.Bang-here comes Mr Diplomat-Celts steal Gunpowder...Egyptians aquire GP from Celts etc.
Major bog down as crusaders loose to muskets more often than not.
Allrighty,I think,I let my dips take over till Leadership.I bribed a few cities but they were very expensive and soon after the AIs go Democracy...argh.Leadership comes along and I start rolling again.More losses,but rolling.
Then....bang..Egptians steal Conscription.@##$..more bog down.Ok..same deal until Tactics.
You guessed it....Celts steal Tactics.Ok..now I have to wait until Machine Tools.

I did eventually put the final city to the torch,but it took eons longer than it should have.3 little acts of espionage added hundreds of years.Not to mention all the additional resources and units.

Fortunately the ai is not very resourceful or that game might still be going on.

Oh, dear.... I've been waiting to get on this 'spoiler' topic until I was at least on the final lap of my GOTM III, but I was afraid of what I'd find. Sounds like I'm slipping down the rankings for sure!

My current situation is pathetic: 1790 AD, and no chance of ending it before the mid-1800's. Maybe 1900. The Zulus haven't been hassling me much, but I haven't even scouted most of their landmass yet. Even though I have G. WAll for the time being, I'm still attacking with knights, and everyone has gunpowder (damn thieving Persians!)

My battles have been beneath sad. Believe it or not, the Sioux gave me trouble. I didn't pop a single recon unit from a hut, and the barbarians kept coming in from the east like beating up on me was about to go out of style. Definitely my slowest start ever.

I can't believe it! I've had easier Deity-level games. Guess this is my payback for doing well in GOTM I, when everyone else was floundering due to terrain...