CG8 - Playing By Morals...

CG7 is a Diety, and that game is slow, so I've decided to start CG8 early. Its going to be a very rule-heavy Emperor variant. Here are the rules...

Map: The usual - Large, Continents, everything Medium, Roaming Barbs...

Civ: Up for debate. I'm leaning towards a peaceful civ, based on the rules.

Version: 1.14, for the Europeans.

Victory Conditions: Anything, but a peaceful win is preferred.

Rivals: Maximum.

Variants: - No purposely starving down cities, for any reason, ours or newly conquered.
- We must be in representative governments at all times, and get and switch to those governments ASAP. That means we're going Despotism->Republic->Democracy. And no switching back to Republic - we get, and stay, in Democracy as soon as we can.
- No trading workers, no holding slaves. If we capture slaves, they must either join a city or be returned to the enemy immediately. To return them, just leave them out in the open.
- Any and all wars must be approved by the ENTIRE team beforehand.
- Wars must be "justified". The process of deciding whether a war is just or not goes by a few things: Past history with that nation (did they invade us, etc), the "evil level" of their nation's government (Anarchy being the worst, despotism being the second worst, communism being the third worst, and monarchy the fourth worst), that nation's foreign policy with other nations (are they a warmonger, a peaceful nation), whether or not we see signs that that nation is preparing for war (is there a military buildup on their side?), and other factors that will be specific for the situation.
- Wars purely for territory or resources will be discouraged.
- Wars were we were invaded first are always justified, however, it is not allowed to trick the other nation into declaring war first.
- Civil disorder and WW will be the TOP factor in when we declare peace. If more than 1/5 of our cities are rioting or have rioted during that war, peace must be made immediately.
- Lux tax must never go above 40%. This is to prevent high taxes to keep the peace.
- Espionage and deals are encourage as a way to gain territory and resources. However, if a war breaks out because of espionage, we must take NO offensive action and try to make peace immediately. This is, again, to prevent "tricking" the AI into war.
- Artillery seiges, starvation of cities, and cutting off of food supplies to enemy cities are to be discouraged. However, if the war is in self-defense, we can be a little more lenient.
- Nuclear weapons are NEVER to be used unless during extreme circumstances.
- We should try to establish one or two close allies who we will help* out in war and keep tech parity with.
- * Help does not mean conquering the entire enemy country they are facing. It means providing light military aid and keeping no cities of theirs. If we help an ally, we are only to engage troops in the field, never in a city. This is so we don't have proxy wars with our ally as a trick to get involved.
- Any new variant rules will be made in-game.

Roster:
Myself
(Open)
(Open)
(Open)
(Open)

I know the rules seem heavy, but don't fear! I've always wanted to try a game with my peaceful morals in place...

May I suggest modifying the civil disorder rule - maybe to a certain percentage of war weariness in your most/least unhappy city? The reason is, I've never ever seen an emperor-deity level SG have multiple riots due to war weariness, so the rule would be ineffective.

Renata

I'm not going to join 1.14 games anymore. I just upgraded to 1.21 and have both patch versions running at the moment. But I want every new game to be 1.21. Besides that: I have a very busy schedule and I don't think it would be a good idea to have yet another SG.

I was tempted though. Looks like an interesting concept.

If you would have an emperor diff newbie in, do consider this an application.

Grimjack

Here goes...

After following these games for a long time i would like to try one. I've never participated in a succession game before, but being an avid lurker here i have some idea how to play in one.

Emperor is my prefered level. I can and have won on deity on several times. Still i find emperor more enjoyable. Playing catchin up for ages is not allways fun.

Anyway, i could give this one a try. My poor old comp should be able to handle large maps, especially if we try to be peacefull in the late game. So here is one player if needed.

I have no special preferences for civ. Militaristic trait would feel a bit inapropriate though, but anything goes.

-M-

Originally posted by Renata
May I suggest modifying the civil disorder rule - maybe to a certain percentage of war weariness in your most/least unhappy city? The reason is, I've never ever seen an emperor-deity level SG have multiple riots due to war weariness, so the rule would be ineffective.

Renata

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In CG....5, I think it was, a good half of our cities rioted. Under Democracy, with a long war, riots happen ALOT. You usually have to choose between ridiculously high lux (like 60%) or having cities riot. Anyway, the lineup:

Me
Renata?
Grimjack
Morf
(Open)

Sorry to hear that Aggie. I have alot of free time anyway...

ill sign up i guess. why not? if someone else wants th though, they are more then welcome to have my spot

Cgannon- Room for one more? If BOG wants it, let him have it. If not, just place me at the end, where Ive got people before me and a cleanup crew for any 's

OK, new lineup:

Me
Grimjack
Morf
Bewareofgnomes
SaaM
(Renata if he wants it)

What Civ should we do? I'll play after we pick.

Anything religious would work for me, since we would want to keep any conquered cities.
Grimjack

*Sigh*

<--- is a she.

I have to pass; I just got my final exam (take-home) yesterday and it's not gonna be pretty for the next couple of weeks.

My comment was to suggest that skilled players who are familiar with the effect of war weariness in democracy would be able to anticipate the riots and, as you said, increase the lux tax to compensate before the riots actually occured. Thus subverting the idea of the game. So maybe putting a limit on lux tax instead?

Anyway, have fun all.

Renata

Originally posted by Renata
*Sigh*

<--- is a she.

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I've seen this twice already, Renata. Please don't be offended by our prejudices.

I'll be watching with interest, CGannon. Interesting kick you've been on recently.

And Welcome to CFC, Morf!

Originally posted by Renata
*Sigh*

<--- is a she.

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Sorry, the proportion of male to female people here is so large I just assume...

My comment was to suggest that skilled players who are familiar with the effect of war weariness in democracy would be able to anticipate the riots and, as you said, increase the lux tax to compensate before the riots actually occured. Thus subverting the idea of the game. So maybe putting a limit on lux tax instead?

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Hmm...a limit on lux tax might be a good idea. How about, say, 40%? Does the team agree on this?

@ Grimjack: I agree. I think an Industrious/Commericial and Religious are good traits to use. Now, I just have to remember what civs those are...

Oh my! A rule heavy highly variant Emperor diff game? Cool!

If you guys would like one more, I would be interested - it would be a chance for me to mix it up with folks I've never played with before. If you're happy with your current roster though, or wanted to squeeze someone else in, I won't be offended!

The lux limit is better than the original rule, and yes, 40% is perfect. 50% does happen in Democracy and is possible to run at 50% with major weariness if your economy is good. But at the 40% mark weariness is about as much as a moral nation would want to face. Regarding Espionage, I would only see that being used to watch the space race, if at all, not for 'stealing' or sabotaging.

> I think an Industrious/Commericial and Religious are good traits
> to use. Now, I just have to remember what civs those are...

An outstanding choice for this game would be Spain. Commercial and Religious, iirc, and pretty underplayed in SG's. I've not played a game that made good use of their UU yet, so this would be novel. (India is also this combo, and would fit the theme well, but they're more commonly played.)

With a large map Arabia is a strong contender, as the Expansionist trait becomes more valuable, fitting in nicely here too with their Religious trait.

Commercial and (gasp) Military? That's Rome. In looking up where St.Augustine, founder of the 'Just War' doctrine, was born, I was surprised to learn it was in 354 in Thagaste in north Africa. Actually though, he was a Roman citizen, and influential in that realm. Justinian was a Roman emperor shortly thereafter who revamped their laws to be more... just.

Babylonians are Religious and Scientific, if you like a highly cultural game.

So many good choices...

Whether in or out, good luck to all!
Charis

Originally posted by cgannon64


Sorry, the proportion of male to female people here is so large I just assume...

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and @cromagnon --

No offense taken. I'm fully aware I'm an unusual specimen around here.

Renata

charis, if you are REALLY itching to go, you could take my place. i am by far the least experienced player here and i would like to try this to improve my skills.

*gasp* Charis, interested in my SG? Anyway, Charis, I could take you in as the 6th member - bewareofgnomes, you don't have to go. So, the lineup is:

Me
Grimjack
Morf
Bewareofgnomes
SaaM
Charis

Charis, I agree with you on Spain. Their traits are good, but their UU is...mediocre. But, in a war-light game like this, a bad UU doesn't really matter. And I've never done Spain before.

Do we agree on Spain? If we do, I'll make the game tonight and play 40 (I have to play CivGSG1 first).

@ Renata - See, If you had only taken Sirp's advice earlier and gone with Princess as your title when you post count upgraded your title to Prince.... .

If I'd known you were playing Spain, I'd have probably signed up since that is the only Civ I haven't gotten arround to playing yet (I hadn't played Persia of all civs till LK44, and with the way that ones going, I still will never get to feel the "Immortal" experience). Good luck on this one to all involved.

Heck no! Im not passing a save onto Charis! Do you know what that will do to my fragile ego? Unless Charis likes the chalange of disaster reliefe .
Either way, Spain is fine with me. Where was it I read about the UU and its use by AI...
(Note: Im serious about the Disater Reliefe bit)

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
Heck no! Im not passing a save onto Charis! Do you know what that will do to my fragile ego? Unless Charis likes the chalange of disaster reliefe .
Either way, Spain is fine with me. Where was it I read about the UU and its use by AI...
(Note: Im serious about the Disater Reliefe bit)

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That's what I thought when Charis signed up. Oh well, I inherit his save, so I get a perfect empire to mess up!