We just discovered Literature, and are way behind everyone else, by design since we've been following a 40-turn min science path. There are now some areas to discuss:
This thread will discuss how to catch up. The candidate ways of research are
Current information:
Notes:
Starting position for discussion
We are too far behind to catch up solely via self research, and would be in serious danger of getting pounded by more advanced neighbors who have production advantages due to advanced governments, or get to Knights a long time before us.
Trade as a source for tech looks pretty bad right now, there is only one tech we can give in a tech/tech trade, and it is low enough in value that we can only get one tech and ~10 gold. If we want to acquire tech via trade, we need to come up with something valuable enough to give.
The Great Library is risky because we don't have a really high production city combined with enough production elsewhere that we can afford to spare one and keep up in military.
A combined approach seems like the only way to go, so the draft approach to use is to do all of the following:
- Research Priorities
- How to catch up (self research, trade, Great Library, force of arms)
This thread will discuss how to catch up. The candidate ways of research are
- Self research (better be faster than 40 turns)
- Trade (would work better if we had something valuable to give)
- Build the Great Library and get a bunch of tech for "free"
- Beat up our neighbors and accept tech in exchange for peace
Current information:
Code:
tech 10% 100% =$ @70%
polytheism 40 15 21
map making 40 13 18
math 40 9 13
philosophy 40 7 10
code of laws 40 11 15
tech min% for <40 turns
polytheism 50% = 23
map making 40% = 35
math 30% = 31
philosophy 30% = 23
code of laws 30% = 36
opponents
Greece: math, philosophy, code of laws, map making; does not need lit
Aztecs: math, philosophy, c.o.l., map making; does need lit
America: math, philosophy, c.o.l, map making; does need lit
Other trade stats
America have 11 gold and are willing to give Philosophy+11g for Lit
Aztecs have 26 gold and are willing to give Philosophy+10g for LitNotes:
- If we do self research, the Domestic Dept sets the rate by setting the slider values, though Science should make a recommendation.
- If we trade for tech, the Trade Dept handles the actual exchange.
Starting position for discussion
We are too far behind to catch up solely via self research, and would be in serious danger of getting pounded by more advanced neighbors who have production advantages due to advanced governments, or get to Knights a long time before us.
Trade as a source for tech looks pretty bad right now, there is only one tech we can give in a tech/tech trade, and it is low enough in value that we can only get one tech and ~10 gold. If we want to acquire tech via trade, we need to come up with something valuable enough to give.
The Great Library is risky because we don't have a really high production city combined with enough production elsewhere that we can afford to spare one and keep up in military.
A combined approach seems like the only way to go, so the draft approach to use is to do all of the following:
- Start on TGL so that if our GA is triggered it will get the resulting boost. It is safe to start on this immediately as long as we don't go beyond the wasted shields point, if military production can keep up without the wonder city.
- Research something the AIs don't have (Polytheism) at the maximum slider value that Domestic can support.
- If the GL is pursued, do NOT give Lit in any trades until the GL is far enough along to not worry about another civ beating us to it.
- If a Great Leader comes along, recommend rushing the Great Library, which will leave tons of gold available since science can then go to 0%.
- In a separate discussion on government types, the general trend was leaning toward Monarchy as the 1st advanced gov. This backs up Polytheism as the self-research tech.
). Did Greece start building the GL?
, we can begin to add them to all our Temples and increase our Science as well as our Culture. In the Monarchy, we will have an improved form of government that lends itself to a little war-mongering, which is where we find ourselves now.
