Gotm19-Ottomans Results and Congratulations

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A simple drum roll, trumpet fanfare, and a 21 gun salute might not be enough to fully recognize how fantastic the results of Gotm19-Ottomans really are.

The final count of valid game submissions that can be scores and ranked includes 243 submitted games for this event and this represents a 53 person increase over the Celts game in April which had also set a record.

In addition to the fanatistic volume and diversity of submissions for this game, we also saw several exciting firsts in this game.

Many of the victory conditions showed 40 or 50 different approaches to achieving victory and could in effect allow us to analyse whole groups of games as if they were their own individual groups with a specified victory objective.

The top three games submitted for this GOTM were all based on Conquest victories using the awesome power of upgraded Sipahis(Balkan Dragoons) to destroy the world.

The 2nd and 3rd place submissions for this game were both submitted in Civ3v1.29 and actually finished in exactly the same year with a final Jason score that was only 6 points apart. Absolutely a fantastic effort by both players and this margin of victory is equivalent to have just one extra town founded one or two turns earlier in that game that the exact same equivalent town in the other competing game. You just cannoy get any closer than that reflecting truly a great competitive rivalry between these two players who played the game thousands of miles apart and on two totally separate continents of the reall world.

Complete Gotm19-Ottomans Results

The results also include a direct link to the replay viewer that has been provided by Dianthus to let you view and compare games that originated in Civ3v1.29 or PTWv1.14 or PTWv1.21 even if you do not have the other version of the software available on your computer.

Congratulations again to all players who submitted games for this record setting GOTM Event.
 
I'd like to say congratulations and welcome (first time GOTM submissions) to two of our top ten finishers, Qitai and DaviddesJ!

Also, Mazarin's game is a real eye opener. A little under six and a half hours playtime and still very well played! (by comparison I spent 22 hours playing just about the same game)
 
Many congrats to all the winners, especially SirPleb for his awesome 390 AD conquest victory and Yurian for taking this month's diplomatic parchment award. :goodjob:

But also well done to all who participate, looking back at some of the older results really shows a tremendous increase in the playing standard in general in this competition.
 
Wow, netted a siliver =) and so close. And Sir Pleb's 390AD victory is truely impressive.

And a very much thanks for making so much improvement to the GOTM. The new Jason scoring is what really make me want to play this game. Thanks Aeson.
 
Cracker, there are some typos in the Civfanatics home page announcing the results.

It says Bremp won in 2050 A.D., and also you said "the difference between 2nd and 2rd".

But, wow, that was a very close race for silver/bronze :eek:
 
Cool, I'm up 6 places from last month in my first emperor win.
More importantly: gotm19 was excellent. :goodjob: Imo, even more enjoyable than gotm18.

I still have some strategy issues I need to address. Most importantly, I always let wars come to me (not that I'm not prepared, usually wars come right when I'm about to go to war, but they don't come from the 'right' civs). I should declare war myself now and again. Diplomatic is the only victory I've had on higher levels, but in gotm19 I should have no probs winning a space race, and more cities/earlier conquest would have made for a better score. Then again, that would take more time and I barely managed to submit as is lol.
 
It's great to see so many new faces doing so well. Hell, it's great to see so many new faces period. GOTM is a nice place to be.

Cracker: I don't understand how the Space race and Diplo victory awards were made this month. I am only a simpleton, but in each case there are other higher scores with the same victory condition. I hesitate to hit "submit reply" because I just know I'm going to look very silly.
 
Congratulations to Sir Pleb and DaveMcW two excellent games!!!

Gotm 19 was one of the most enjoyable games for me. The map was interesting. I also finally reached my goal of getting the earliest 100k cultural victory (Thanks Ribannah for not playing this time ;) )

Unfortunately for me, the Jason curve changed. With the old curve, the ranking would have been:
1) Ronald 11632
2) Dave McW 11361
3) Sir Pleb 11013
4) Qitai 10475
5) Bremp 10469

This shows, that the old curve was not optimal:
My game was not better than Sir Plebs. He beat best date by 32 turns, I beat best date by 8 turns, DaveMcW beat best date by 39 turns !!! (a truely awesome game, for me in the same league as Sir Plebs victory), Qitai and Bremp werer both one turn behind best date, all of us were close to domination limit.

Looking at the results with the new curve, I feel, that it is now more in favour of earlier victories (which is fine with me), and that the influence of beating best date or be at least close to best date is much smaller than before (something I don't like)

What particularly puzzles me is the large percentage (40%) of domination games with rather late victory dates in the top ten finishes.

Do you have any thoughts about that Aeson?

Ronald
 
Originally posted by Ronald
What particularly puzzles me is the large percentage (40%) of domination games with rather late victory dates in the top ten finishes.

I'm afraid there is something wrong with the new Jason score curve for Domination victory.
I tried the web calculator and it looks like the sooner you finish the lower the score is!:confused:
 
Originally posted by Zinad
I couldn't find my name in the list although I submitted my game and Creepster confirmed the reception.
Zinad,

I've PMed the mods on your behalf. Hopefully they'll find your results ASAP. :)
Originally posted by Mark Cutt
I'm afraid there is something wrong with the new Jason score curve for Domination victory.
I tried the web calculator and it looks like the sooner you finish the lower the score is!:confused:
It appears to depend on whether you were before or after the equalised dates.
Can you PM Aeson with your input data? :)
 
Originally posted by Ronald
Congratulations to Sir Pleb and DaveMcW two excellent games!!! I also finally reached my goal of getting the earliest 100k cultural victory (Thanks Ribannah for not playing this time ;) )

Actually, Ribannah, who turned in an amazing performance in the QSC19, did submit. Check the list of submissions, and you will find her name. Not seeing her name at the top puzzled me, and I contacted her. It turns out that she would have placed 2nd in the overall rankings for GOTM, having won the space race in 1120AD.

Why were her results not included? It turns out that she was accused of cheating, and subsequently was permanently banned from the GOTM and from the forums. According to Ribannah, there was no explanation given.

Ribannah is clearly a very skilled player, as is indicated by her excellent, keen insights. It would appear that she would not need to lean upon the crutch of cheating to do well.

I realize that I may have overstepped the bounds in this post, and I stand ready to accept the consequences. I only wanted others who were curious, just as I was, to know that, unfortunately, Ribannah will no longer be participating in the GOTM. I didn't want her to disappear from the GOTM/CFC landscape without any trace of an explanation.

I, for one, am going to miss you, Ribannah!

:( :(
 
Originally posted by ainwood
Can you PM Aeson with your input data? :)

I sent an email to Cracker. I'm pretty confident the error will be fixed soon.
I'm afraid this will result in a lower ranking (currently 20th) for myself:(
 
I don't understand how the Space race and Diplo victory awards were made this month. I am only a simpleton, but in each case there are other higher scores with the same victory condition.

The awards are given to the fastest finish in each category. Often that's the same game as the highest Jason score in that category, but not always.

What particularly puzzles me is the large percentage (40%) of domination games with rather late victory dates in the top ten finishes.

Do you have any thoughts about that Aeson?

Sipahi and map conditions mostly. It made Domination and Conquest the 'default' victory conditions for games that were very well played. There was a point in the game where it just became very easy to finish that way (all the legwork being done).

Any 'well' played game, in relation to the scoring system set up the way it is now, is going to expand out to the domination limit quickly and be relatively fast. Basically work toward Domination, though certain tradeoffs need to be made depending on the victory condition. The optimal expansion rate might not always be the fastest either, as there are population tradeoffs that aren't always fruitful (in tech rate and the population to territory ratio) early on in a fast finish type game.

I'm afraid there is something wrong with the new Jason score curve for Domination victory.

I tried the web calculator and it looks like the sooner you finish the lower the score is!

I assume you are leaving the score the same between dates? It looks like the same score, but the Jason score uses the 'base' score by subtracting the Firaxis date bonus and then computes it's own date bonus instead. Since the two bonuses aren't the same the Jason score will diminish faster than the ingame score when the date is moving through periods in the curves where the Firaxis bonus exceeds the Jason one.

It doesn't mean the Jason score is broken, just that the results are being influence by an obviously broken system (Firaxis date bonus) in that method of testing (keeping the scores the same while changing dates).

If the base scores are the same, the Jason score will always increase when the date is decreasing.
 
I am very sad to hear this news about Ribannah. I hold out hope that this may have been a misunderstanding.
 
Congratulations to all the players, especially Sir Pleb. Your game is just fantastic. :goodjob:
I am very happy with my result :), but If I had played two more turns, the silver medal could be mine :p
 
Originally posted by Aeson

I assume you are leaving the score the same between dates?

Aeson, as suggested by ainwood here are the data I used:

GOTM19, NEW CURVE, Firax score 7000, Domination Victory

End date 900AD --> 9337
940 AD --> 9350
980 AD --> 9364
1020 AD --> 9378
 
Originally posted by Bremp
Congratulations to all the players, especially Sir Pleb. Your game is just fantastic. :goodjob:
I am very happy with my result :), but If I had played two more turns, the silver medal could be mine :p

And Luckily for me, I did not try to play a few more rounds. In a rerun to simulate what would happen to the score if I played longer, I realized that I actually had a duo victory - I had just pass the domination limit without realizing it - and that would have reduce my scores to 11099. :rolleyes:
 
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