food resource for swamps?

embryodead · Jun 24, 2003

what is annoying in civ3 is that the power of AI depends in 90% on their starting locations. Poor areas have to be improved to help cities thrive there.
Jungles have fruit and sugar, hills get :sheep:

, forests get cave bears, tundra gets seals, but I need help with swamps. No idea for food there. Help me or I will have to feed my orcs with peat :hmm:

PCHighway · Jun 24, 2003

Maybe a different type of Fish? Or some type of bird, like a herring

Tepez2447 · Jun 24, 2003

crawdads maybe? And if forests have cave bears then how about aligator? or frog? And yes, i'm serious.

embryodead · Jun 25, 2003

a fish may look strange on the map but i'll try it. some type of bird might be ok. BTW I checked "herring" in google and it shows pictures of fish all the time, doesn't seem to be a bird

embryodead · Jun 25, 2003

edit: two birds, first is mine, pretending to be a goose, the second one is from graphics library. do they fit? which better? and if the second, what kind of bird it is?

Colonel Kraken · Jun 25, 2003

I like the second one better, and I think it's some kind of duck. Or, it may be some kind of "exotic" bird. Don't know.

PCHighway · Jun 25, 2003

The herring, (seems it is also a fish) is, from my understanding a large bird. On a side note, it would not be a wise thing to run over this noble animal.

dog · Jun 25, 2003

Originally posted by PCHighway
The herring, (seems it is also a fish) is, from my understanding a large bird.

That's a heron. :cool:

Food from swamps? Alligator's good. There's plenty of fish. Most swamps have a good population of deer. Here in Florida the swamps are chock full of fish, gators, ducks, deer, wild pigs (I'm just thinking about things people eat). If your swamp terrain looks "watery" then you might go with alligator or fish. If it looks more like land then you might go with deer or pigs. Ducks could go either way I guess. I'd go with deer myself, I think deer (and/or maybe antelope) populate swamps all over the world.

EDIT: Rabbits too.

Hunter · Jun 25, 2003

EDIT: Rabbits too.

Rabbits lack many nutritional benefits and according to one study a human can theoretically die of starvation eating only rabbits. Plus they have shifty eyes you can never trust them.

So I like Crawdads Deer or Birds. Every swamp that I have been to in Canada(very small ones) have Deer or Moose.

PCHighway · Jun 26, 2003

Ah thanks dog, thats what I thinking of, still, you wouldn't want to run over one

, a herring probably wouldn't do much damage, though.
I don't really see them (heron) being used for food, however, and if a bird is wanted, go with aduck, it looks good to me, as if it fits in.

Don't like the idea of deer or a moose really though, you should probably go with some type of 'small game'.

embryodead · Jun 26, 2003

Wild pigs! why I haven't thought about that. it's mainly for orcs & goblins, and boars are a perfect meal for them. I'm going for a goose/duck and/or boar. Thanks for all suggestions.

Plexus · Jun 26, 2003

Gator es gud eatin'. Erebudy noe tat!

Sturmgewehr · Jun 26, 2003

Beavers!

Hunter · Jun 26, 2003

Originally posted by Sturmgewehr
Beavers!

Ah the mighty beaver... truly a noble creature.

Ozymandias · Jun 26, 2003

Mangos? ... shades of "Apocalypse Now" ("Must be some mangos around here somewhere," said Chef; cue tiger ...)

-Oz

mrtn · Jun 28, 2003

Originally posted by embryodead
edit: two birds, first is mine, pretending to be a goose, the second one is from graphics library. do they fit? which better? and if the second, what kind of bird it is?

I think the second bird is quite ugly. It looks more like a mechanical bird than a real one. The goose looks nice, you should post it, but I don't think it fits in swamps.

nojobnoodlez · Jun 28, 2003

What about nutria? Considered to be giant "swamp rats". They look like beavers without the tails. They breed so fast they can quickly destroy entire swamp ecosystems and have been labelled as detrimental to certain states. In response to this, Louisiana has tried to make them into a food staple and also offers money for their tails even to this day. Mostly found in the gulf coast regions.

Personally, I'd go with alligators, snakes, or even rice or bamboo. You could also do a resource for production...something else like peat or mud or whatever...

aaglo · Jul 1, 2003

Cloudberry!

frekk · Jul 1, 2003

The Mayans grew all kinds of food in swampy areas - it was actually highly productive land using their techniques. I don't know how you could represent this. They used raised fields cleared in the swamps and dug channels. Somehow they rotated these fields so that some were flooded some of the time (same effect as letting a field go fallow) and some were producing. The chief product was corn, but they grew some 20-25 other things as well, including gourds, beans, squash and cotton. The fields were extremely productive, producing 2-3 crops per year, but since about 75% of the crops were in rotation (flooded) at any one time the effect is diminished. In fact, the swamps were the Mayan breadbasket, since the rest of their land is so arid, and requires the collection of rainwater in large underground reserves (cenotes).

Also rice is grown in marshy conditions.

In addition, peat sod from peat bogs has been used by the British and Russians as a coal alternative. The Russians still maintain peat generating stations. Peat is also a valuable commodity around the world, used for horticulture.

Then there's this, for a good laugh:
http://www.malachiodoherty.com/Monshee.htm

embryodead · Jul 1, 2003

I know about the peat and use it, but it's not food. And about all that rice and other crops - I am speaking about real, gloomy swamps not wetlands / floodplains in general. I closed that case already - after several suggestions goose and boars went into the mod.

aaglo - do you think you can feed a whole city with cloudberries?

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