Term 4 - Trade Ministry: Business is war

Eklektikos · Aug 1, 2003

Trade Minister: Eklektikos
Trade Deputy: Octavian X

Trade Advisor panel 1275AD:

List of luxuries & resources, who has them within their borders and how many:

Saltpeter: Japan(1) Germany(1) Persia(2) Babylon(3) China(1) Russia(1) Greece(1) Egypt(1) Aztecs(1)
Iron: Japan(1) Germany(2) Persia(1) Babylon(2) China(1) Russia(2) Greece(2) Aztecs(2) America(1)
Horses: Japan(1) Germany(3) Persia(1) Babylon(1) China(1) Russia(2) Greece(1) Aztecs(3)
Spices: Japan(9)
Ivory: Germany(9)
Silks: Germany(4) England(6)
Incense: Babylon(6)
Furs: China(7)
Gems: Russia(11)
Wines: Greece(5) Egypt(2) Aztecs(1)
Dyes: Greece(4) America(1)

Current and possible trades

In this section, each foreign nation has its total treasury, list of luxuries, resources and techs available for trade, currently active trades & possible trades for the next play session displayed.

Trades are always shown in the following format:

We give <-> They give

Sums of gold are the minimum possible. The symbol + means "and", while the / symbol means "and/or".

Code:

[b]Egypt[/b]
Gold: 0
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: Horses & Dyes
Techs: None
Active: None
Possible: Democracy / Economics / Physics / Metallurgy / Horses / Dyes / WM / TM + 26g / 29g <-> WM
          TM <-> TM

[b]Greece[/b]
Gold: 0
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: None
Techs: None
Active: None
Possible: Physics <-> Free Artistry + WM
          TM + 22g / 23g <-> WM
          TM <-> TM

[b]America[/b]
Gold: 0
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: Horses & Wines
Techs: None
Active: None
Possible: Banking / Chemistry / Navigation / WM / TM + 3g / 14g <-> WM
          TM <-> TM

[b]Aztecs[/b]
Gold: 51
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: Dyes
Techs: None
Active: None
Possible: Chemistry / Democracy / Economics / Dyes <-> WM + 51g
          15g /  <-> WM
          WM <-> WM + 17g / TM + 30g / 31g

[b]Germany[/b]
Gold: 122
Luxuries: Ivory(3)
Resources: None
Lacks: Dyes
Techs: Free Artistry
Active: None
Possible: Dyes <-> Free Artistry + WM + 9gpt + 122g
          Dyes + WM + 548g / Dyes + 549g <-> Ivory
          WM + 54g / 55g <-> WM
          WM + 2g / 3g <-> TM
          WM <-> 1g

[b]England[/b]
Gold: 3
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: Saltpeter
Techs: None
Active: Iron + Horses + Dyes <-> Silks (expires in 15 turns)
Possible: Music Theory / Banking / Astronomy / Chemistry / WM / TM <-> WM + 3g
          14g <-> WM

[b]Babylon[/b]
Gold: 0
Luxuries: Incense (0)
Resources: None
Lacks: Wines & Dyes
Techs: Free Artistry
Active: None
Possible: Economics / Physics <-> Free Artistry + WM
          WM + 1g / TM + 15g / 17g <-> WM
          TM / 2g <-> TM
          WM <-> Free Artistry + TM

[b]Persia[/b]
Gold: 55
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: None
Techs: Free Artistry
Active: Dyes <-> 7gpt
        Wines <-> 10gpt (expires in 7 turns)
Possible: WM + 4g / TM + 8g / 10g <-> Free Artistry
          WM + 25g / TM + 29g / 31g <-> WM
          WM <-> TM + 4g / 6g
          TM <-> TM / 2g

[b]China[/b]
Gold: 0
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: None
Techs: Free Artistry
Active: Dyes <-> 10gpt
        <-> Furs + 41gpt (expires in 2 turns)
        <-> 82gpt (expires in 11 turns)
Possible: Theory of Gravity / WM + 23g / TM + 24g / 25g <-> Free Artistry + WM
          WM + 8g / TM + 9g / 10g <-> Free Artistry
          WM + 13g / TM + 14g / 15g <-> WM
          TM / 1g <-> TM

[b]Russia[/b]
Gold: 1
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: None
Techs: Free Artistry
Active: <-> Gems (expires in 8 turns)
Possible: Physics <-> Free Artistry + WM + 1g
          WM + 16g / TM + 17g / 18g <-> WM
          WM <-> TM + 1g
          TM / 1g <-> TM

[b]Japan[/b]
Gold: 19
Luxuries: None
Resources: None
Lacks: Dyes
Techs: Free Artistry
Active: <-> Spices (expires in 2 turns)
Possible: Economics / Physics / Metallurgy / Dyes <-> Free Artistry + WM + 19g
          WM <-> Free Artistry + TM + 10g / WM + 2g / TM + 19g
          TM + 8g / 10g <-> Free Artistry
          TM + 18g / 20g <-> WM
          TM <-> TM + 1g

If there's anything else you think would be usefully displayed in this first post alongside all the above gubbins, please do make your suggestion in this thread so that I can decide whether or not it's feasible and sufficiently useful to warrant whatever extra effort it involves :mischief:

Please also post any general trade related questions or suggestions in here.

Link to previous term's Trade thread.

Eklektikos · Aug 1, 2003

First post updated. Let me know if the lines in the section using

Code:

 tags are too long for your screen, and if so I'll look at altering the format to suit better.

zorven · Aug 1, 2003

Excellent job Eklektikos.

Could you just explain this to me in English to make sure I understand it:

Gunpowder / Banking / Horses / Iron / Dyes / WM / TM + 4g / 8g <-> WM

Eklektikos · Aug 1, 2003

Originally posted by zorven
Excellent job Eklektikos.

Could you just explain this to me in English to make sure I understand it:

Gunpowder / Banking / Horses / Iron / Dyes / WM / TM + 4g / 8g <-> WM

No worries. In english that would be:

The nation in question will give us their World Map in exchange for either Gunpowder, or Banking, or Horses, or Iron, or Dyes, or our World Map, or our Territory map plus 4 gold up front, or just 8 gold up front, or any combination of the above.

I'm sure you can see why I prefer to reduce it to shorthand

zorven · Aug 1, 2003

Thanks Eklektikos. I have to say again, Excellent job :goodjob:

Gee, should we give 8g or Gunpowder?????

Eklektikos · Aug 1, 2003

A thread regarding the trade options available to us for the next game session has been posted in the citizens' forum. Please join the discussion ASAP, as we do not have very long before the next session starts.

Octavian X · Aug 2, 2003

Well, it's nice to see that this place has a better caretaker than me.

Eklektikos · Aug 3, 2003

First post updated with current trade data.

Eklektikos · Aug 3, 2003

Discussion of trade possibilities for the next play session has started. Please take part and comment on the delights China has to offer us!

Eklektikos · Aug 6, 2003

First post updated with current trade data

ravensfire · Aug 6, 2003

Wow - you really nailed the AI this past turn Eklektikos - nice job on finding good deals!

It looks like we will lose 2 luxuries next turn chat - any idea on how likely it will be to renegotiate those deals to our benefit?

-- Ravensfire

donsig · Aug 8, 2003

China will pay 82gpt for metalurgy?!? Let's get that deal signed!

Eklektikos · Aug 10, 2003

1st post updated with current trade data. Discussion thread will follow sometime tomorrow, as I'm knackered and will almost certainly make a pig's ear out of it if I post now :ack:

Eklektikos · Aug 13, 2003

Discussion thread has finally been posted.

I'm afraid I must also announce that as of this turnchat I shall be resigning my position as Trade Minister and retiring from the game entirely. I've been finding that what was once an extremely enjoyable passtime for me has now become something of a chore - more due to the length of time that I have been playing than to any complaints regarding the state of the game. In essence, guilty though I feel for abandoning my post mid-term, I'm no longer really having fun doing this and have come to the conclusion that life is too short to spend time playing a game that I no longer enjoy.

I must however say that, for most of the time that I have been a part of this game and this community, it has been a pleasure to participate and to get to know you all. Hopefully I'll still encounter some of you from time to time in the course of the multi-site game

Ave atque vale.

Falcon02 · Aug 15, 2003

I'm requesting that we trade ToG to the Greeks in exchange for Military Tradition so we can upgrade our Cavalry next turn of the upcoming turn chat.

Donovan Zoi · Aug 16, 2003

Sorry to hear that, Ek. You would be the fourth hardcore vet that we have lost this "season"(after Shaitan, CT, and Cyc).

It is understandable though, and as with Cyc, I will not try to coerce you to stay. Good luck, and please keep in touch.

Donovan Zoi · Aug 16, 2003

Octavian X,

Congrats! You are the new Trade Minister. Please PM Siegmund to let him know that he is the new Trade Deputy.

Unfortunatlely, this transition comes at a bad time as we only have 4 luxuries now and many of our cities are bordering on revolt because of this. How do you plan to get us through the tough times ahead?

Also, I second General Falcon's request for the ToG trade to the Greeks. This will get us Military Tradition this turn and will allow us to start upgrading our Egyptian(American?) strike force immediately.

Octavian X · Aug 17, 2003

Eklektikos had notified me of his resignation beforehand. Siegmund has also been notified.

However, my own time constraints had prevented me from fulfilling my new role properly over the last play session. I'll pick up the slack now.

Term 4 - Trade Ministry: Business is war

Eklektikos

Eponymous

Eklektikos

Eponymous

zorven

12,000 Suns

Eklektikos

Eponymous

zorven

12,000 Suns

Eklektikos

Eponymous

Octavian X

is not a pipe.

Eklektikos

Eponymous

Eklektikos

Eponymous

Eklektikos

Eponymous

ravensfire

Member of the Opposition

donsig

Low level intermediary

Eklektikos

Eponymous

Eklektikos

Eponymous

Falcon02

General

Donovan Zoi

The Return

Donovan Zoi

The Return

Octavian X

is not a pipe.

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