"Judicial" Trait

Benderino · Aug 1, 2003

We have traits already such as commercial and religious, but how about another one? "Judicial" or "Judicious".

First, we change "religious" so that it doesn't make anarchy last only one turn between government switches (What, religion stops anarchy? religious civs can't have anarchy as long as non religious ones? Preposterous!). Instead, religion keeps its bonus in terms of temples and such costing less, but also cheaper upkeep costs on religious buildings (There are more generous doners to the faith in that particular religion) and temples are are worth one more culture point (just temples, any others and it would be too unfair).

Meanwhile, the Judicial civ takes the "on turn of anarchy" rule and Courthouses, police stations, Palace, Universal Suffrage (maybe?), and Forbidden Palace cost significantly less (basically all that lowers corruption and weariness).

How's that?

BomberEscort · Aug 1, 2003

I like it, pure extremly dogmatic religious civs in real life seem to be technologically backwars. The judical trait would bring reason into Civ. It seems reasonable that a Civ who values "reason and objectivity" highly would have less anarchy.

Benderino · Aug 1, 2003

Exactly. The ancient Israelites were a very judicious people ("Divide the baby in half") and so were the Babylonians (Hammurabi).

WillJ · Aug 1, 2003

My reasoning of the religious civs having one turn of anarchy is that religion has been used throughout history as a reason for accepting the (new) rule. What first comes to mind is the Zhao (an ancient Chinese dynasty) having the idea of the "Mandate of Heaven," which means that if bad things started happening, the heavens dissaproved of the current dynasty and a new one should start.

I do like the judicial idea, though.

Benderino · Aug 1, 2003

Originally posted by WillJ
My reasoning of the religious civs having one turn of anarchy is that religion has been used throughout history as a reason for accepting the (new) rule. What first comes to mind is the Zhao (an ancient Chinese dynasty) having the idea of the "Mandate of Heaven," which means that if bad things started happening, the heavens dissaproved of the current dynasty and a new one should start.

I do like the judicial idea, though.

That's true, about the Mandate of Heaven thing, but......This way we could have both, and they both make sense IMO.

MarineCorps · Aug 1, 2003

This would be a cool thing to have. I must say I always wonderd why religion had anarchy for one turn only.

Benderino · Aug 1, 2003

That's what I felt too.

Tay2112 · Aug 1, 2003

Judicial idea is the best I've heard yet.

Heck, I only lurk around here and thought this idea was worth posting for. I'd love to see it implemented. :goodjob:

Obi-Zahn Kenobi · Aug 2, 2003

Originally posted by Benderino
Exactly. The ancient Israelites were a very judicious people ("Divide the baby in half") and so were the Babylonians (Hammurabi).

Not quite. Solomon was using that to see which one was actually the mother. He wasn't planning to actually cut the baby in half.

TerraHero · Aug 2, 2003

i like the ideas, religious was dumb in my opninion. And the Aztecs where very into courts and stuff

Xen · Aug 2, 2003

an interesting idea, though historiclly, cultures that were heavilly judicial were also very religious

Benderino · Aug 2, 2003

Originally posted by Obi-Zahn Kenobi

Not quite. Solomon was using that to see which one was actually the mother. He wasn't planning to actually cut the baby in half.

I know that, but even your example proves just how "judicious" the Israelites were.

Xen, in the case of the Israelits, they would probably be religious as well.

Xen · Aug 2, 2003

I was thinking more along the lines of Republican Rome, and the early-mid empire, or Egypt, and Babylon....

Benderino · Aug 2, 2003

Hmm, I think Rome would be more "judicious" "militaristic" (not as much religious as some of the other civs in the game, IMO). The Romans were always fighting, and mostly winning. They were proud of their military accomplishments, and rightfully so; they were a people born into the world by the gladius.

LouLong · Aug 2, 2003

Originally posted by Tay2112
Judicial idea is the best I've heard yet.

I agree (after seafaring already in Conquests though).

Xen · Aug 2, 2003

Your very right though the word "gladius" also means penis in latin....

any way, Militaristic, and Idustrius would best fit Rome, though your suggestion of judicious and militaristic wouldnt be far off the mark- Rome was the first nation (known) to have instituded anti-racism laws...(I know most would not think that, but the religion of Judaism was protected from discrimination by Roman law)

I dont think I need tell you my connections to Rome however, I would think they would be appernt to all by now....

Benderino · Aug 2, 2003

Is there anyway for for the gamemakers to see this thread? This just seems like a real easy idea to implement, and very fitting for the theme of the game, expecially if Israel will be in the new expansion.

Benderino · Aug 2, 2003

Originally posted by Xen
Your very right though the word "gladius" also means penis in latin....

any way, Militaristic, and Idustrius would best fit Rome, though your suggestion of judicious and militaristic wouldnt be far off the mark- Rome was the first nation (known) to have instituded anti-racism laws...(I know most would not think that, but the religion of Judaism was protected from discrimination by Roman law)

I dont think I need tell you my connections to Rome however, I would think they would be appernt to all by now....

That's right, you love the history of it. I do as well, and I thought my knowledge was vast, until I read some of your articles

. I commend you there. Roman history is fascinating, in fact, don't be mad, it was the movie The Gladiator that got me interested in Roman history, and subsequently many other histories as well. (I know the all about the incorrectness of the movie, however, there are some facits that are ture).

Gladius mean penis? Well, then I am right either way!

Yes, they were certainly industrius, and that played into their role of being scientific. Their advances in seige warfare were incredible, and Roman seigecraft were top-o'-the-line at the time. But that ties in with industriousness, for they were able to construct many, and had fine architecture (industrious strength in buildings

) and many great weapons.

Xen · Aug 2, 2003

I dont just love Roman history- I'm a Roman descendent (along with half a dozen other nationalities several, like the Roman empire dont exist any more)- but also a practiconer of the religio Romanum

although thiere is a bit of a myth surrounding the Roman development of siege craft- it was mostlly the Greek city of Syracuse while it was still indipendent of Rome who did most of the develoging, Rome did creat the evolution the Syracusian seige cross bow (the Gastrophetes, or belly bow) into the standard ballista, and the heavey ballista (the thing that looks like a large van in size, that would be a stationary fortifacation, as opposed to being used on campaign...)

Benderino · Aug 2, 2003

Originally posted by Xen

it was mostlly the Greek city of Syracuse while it was still indipendent of Rome who did most of the develoging, Rome did creat the evolution the Syracusian seige cross bow (the Gastrophetes, or belly bow) into the standard ballista, and the heavey ballista (the thing that looks like a large van in size, that would be a stationary fortifacation, as opposed to being used on campaign...)

All I can add to that is one word: Archimedes!

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