Military Dept. : How shall we modernize our defensive force.

Falcon02 · Aug 7, 2003

This is something which really needs to be taken care of.

How do we wish to modernize our forces?

Try to upgrade all or the majority of our Spearmen over time or Gradually phase them out with newly produced Musketmen, or a combination of the two?

A simular upgrade will be required when we get Military Tradition, however that upgrade won't be quite so expensive to complete.

Peri · Aug 7, 2003

Upgrade those in the most vulnerable cities first and start building knights.

Falcon02 · Aug 7, 2003

Originally posted by Peri
Upgrade those in the most vulnerable cities first and start building knights.

Actually since we have so few Barracks (more on the way though), we're gonna have to do a juggling job to upgrade things, but yes, newly upgraded spears or newly built Muskets should go the vulnerable cities first.

On Knights, we already have 5 with more coming, and I ordered that they be stationed at Omalu (sp.) to be ready to launch a counter-attack at the most likely point for invasion. The Egyptian/Greek border.

Peri · Aug 7, 2003

We do? That is great news but we still cant have enough. When we get 30 or so perhaps we can think about a bit of expansion :mischief:

Falcon02 · Aug 7, 2003

Sorry, as the informational poll indicated, defensive tactics and strategies are the way of the day..... at least for the moment.

Peri · Aug 7, 2003

According to your poll the hawks are leading the doves 10-6

Falcon02 · Aug 7, 2003

Originally posted by Peri
According to your poll the hawks are leading the doves 10-6

.....
~double checks~

BY GEORGE!!!! You're right!!!

now to get those borders secured, and those Knights built.

anyway... why is it it's only the Military officials talking in here?!

Peri · Aug 7, 2003

Well since it is only us perhaps we should start formulating some strategies.
Who makes the best target?
How will we conduct the war?
How many troops will we need to win it properly and not be forced to make peace when we run out of steam?

Donovan Zoi · Aug 7, 2003

OK, I guess I'll join in as well.

As far as our Spearmen go, I would like to see up to 10 get upgraded, but keep most of them to guard our interior. With a solid perimeter defense, those innermost cities can get by with spearman defenders for now.

As far as the 10-6 Hawk stance, I am interpreting the results to solely mean that we take by force any Egyptian cities that are close to our FP --- nothing more. After we claim those lands, I am hoping the populace takes a much more peaceful stance. This should be polled again once our Egypt objectives are met.

Finally, the once-distant cries for Democracy are growing louder in volume, and I am sure there will be a push for it once Adam Smith's Company is claimed by anyone. We need to make sure that our battle plans are suited for our new government, should the push for Democracy prove successful.

Peri · Aug 7, 2003

Well I am only in favour of a war that gets us some decent land and one we are not forced to end in humiliation.
If we plan properly we can take out a few cities and not have to worry about retaliation. If we want to win this game peacefully we are going to have to shake our opponents up from time to time and disrupt their progress.

Peri · Aug 8, 2003

This is a proposed First Strike plan against the Egyptians.
We take 5 of their cities and hold on to them. This will give us increased land, wealth and production. We may also capture some slaves too.

Staging Post 1 - Capture Asyut

10 knights
3 musketmen

Staging Post 2 - Capture Giza and Thebes

20 knights
6 musketmen

Staging Post 3 - Byblos and Heliopolis

20 knights
6 musketmen

We attack each city with at least 10 knights and garrison with 3 musketmen.

This is a simple plan and if we attack with the right number of troops, victory will be swift.

zorven · Aug 8, 2003

Can we upgrade / build our defensive force AND build an offensive force at the same time?

Falcon02 · Aug 8, 2003

well, that's basically what we'll be doing, anyway it's the governor's responcibility to build the units, I can't order them to build units exactly how I want 'em.

But basically we will be doing a combination, and this is what we've basically concluded. However upgrades seem thin due to money constraints and the 80g expense per spear. So most will likely be newly built (however I see none currently being built last I checked). We really only need a relatively few amount of Muskets though just to guard the border most cities. Knights however are being built and are being concentrated on Omalu (sp?). This is to launch counter-offensives if neccisary or even launch an offensive if war is declared in the future.

donsig · Aug 8, 2003

Peri, are you suggesting we build 50 knights and 15 musketmen to attack Egypt? I think Cleo will have infantry by the time we raise that kind of force!

Falcon02 · Aug 8, 2003

Originally posted by donsig
Peri, are you suggesting we build 50 knights and 15 musketmen to attack Egypt? I think Cleo will have infantry by the time we raise that kind of force!

I think I have to agree with Donsig on this one, 50 is alot, unless we wanna override all infrastruture production.... which I'm opposed to!

I think a force of 20-30 Knights should be able to do the job, esp. if we keep making reinforcements. Though by that time we'll have Cavalry, and the upgrade there won't cost as much as spears, not to mention, we'll have a short window where Cavalry will rule the day before riflemen start evening things up.

Peri · Aug 9, 2003

If we get organised we can have those troops ready to go in 20-30 turns. But we cannot engage in any kind of offensive war without those sorts of numbers
We need 10 for each city we attack plus a holding force.
The half-assed approach to war doesn't really work does it.

OK Falc I have just read your post. Even 20-30 knights will get us something but it will make life more difficult. We will probably lose half that number in taking the cities.

Bootstoots · Aug 9, 2003

Let's just switch over all cities where more infrastructure isn't absolutely necessary to Knights or Musketmen for a while. We'll have a sizeable force before long and we can then switch back to infrastructure while wiping Cleo off the map.

And, Peri, we certainly don't need 10 knights for each city. 5 should do the job, and even if we do suffer a 50% casualty rate, as long as we destroy Egypt and can hold our cities, it doesn't really matter, does it?

Falcon02 · Aug 9, 2003

Originally posted by Peri

OK Falc I have just read your post. Even 20-30 knights will get us something but it will make life more difficult. We will probably lose half that number in taking the cities.

Don't forget likely hood is we'll be launching an offensive when Cavalry become availible, making the job easier, so long as we save money for knight upgrades.....

Boots, that sounds exceptable, so long as we don't hurt those cities in real need of more infrastructure.

Peri · Aug 9, 2003

I seem to remember the first war with Egypt was very costly. We had 30 legions and lost half before we had got very far.
As I said in the last post we have tried cutting corners and doing war onthe cheap and it doesnt work.
5 knights will not do the job. especially not against Thebes Boots.
If we dont do this properly we are better off saving our shields for something else.

Peri · Aug 9, 2003

30- 40 cavalry will do the job. If we can wait for that and afford the upgrades. That is much better than 50 knights

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