Iran-Iraq War

Mr Black · Nov 30, 2003

Im doing a scenario on the Iran-Iraq War for C3C, but Im not sure what to name some of the units. Specifically, their Tanks and Choppers. This is all I know, so far. It would be very much appreciated, if some of you smart fellows could help me out a bit. PLZ HELP!!!

IRANI TANKS:
Iran in 1980 had several British Chieftains and American M-60s. Which one should I use???

They upgrade into T-54,-55,-59,-62,-72 mostly received from China and North Korea. Again what name should I give this Tank.

IRAQI TANKS:
I have no idea what type of Tanks Iraq had early on, except that they were Soviet.

They upgrade into T-54, T-62 which were received from the Soviet Union.

IRANI ATTACK CHOPPERS:
I know they had Chinooks, among other American choppers.

For the upgrade, I dont know if they in fact did get new Choppers.

IRANI ATTACK CHOPPERS:
SZU Soviet choppers, Iran might have had these also.

For the upgrade, again Ive got no clue.

yaroslav · Nov 30, 2003

Some links:

For a rough statistics about the number of weapons in each army

Good web with generic info about the war

More info in the same site

Encarta also provides generic info, but of less quality

This web shortly quote the T62 and T72 for Irak

More info

The history from the Iran's point of view

Other link

Search www.fas.org, they appear to have a lot of military info (?)

I'm not able to find specific info about tanks and choppers... I'd visit a military forum if I were you

Case · Nov 30, 2003

Originally posted by Mr Black
IRANI

The word you're looking for here is Iranian

They upgrade into T-54,-55,-59,-62,-72 mostly received from China and North Korea. Again what name should I give this Tank.

'Eastern Bloc Tank' perhaps? BTW, make sure that the stats for the 'upgrade' are lower - these tanks were all greatly inferior to the M-60s and Chiefdans, and were only used because Iran couldn't import replacements from the west.

I have no idea what type of Tanks Iraq had early on, except that they were Soviet.

T-54s and T-62s mostly along with some T-72s. Iraq appears to have gained a lot more T-72s during the war, along with numberous M-60s (some captured from Iran and others provided by the US).

IRANI ATTACK CHOPPERS:
I know they had Chinooks, among other American choppers.

The Iranians actually had a huge fleet (about 200) of AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters, many armed with TOW anti-tank missiles. AFAIK, they were never replaced, with the survivors still soldiering on to this day.

The Iraqis would have started out with some Mi-24 Hinds, and later got some Gazelles (I'm not sure if these were armed with the very potent HOT anti-tank missile. Also, before anybody starts ranting about the French, the US was simultaneously selling Iraq a considerable number of 'civilianised' Blackhawk transport choppers)

www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ground-equipment.htm details Iran's equipment througout the 90s. The figures for 1990 are probably very close to what Iran finished the Iran-Iraq war with.

pawpaw · Nov 30, 2003

the problem with the iranian equipment is none of it worked!! the years of neglect and no spare parts meant when iraq invaded few of the m-60 tanks or f-14 tomcats worked

Mr Black · Nov 30, 2003

Muchas Gracias!!! yaroslav, Case, pawpaw :goodjob:

for the excellent links and info.

Yeah, Iran's main weapon was the number of humans they could constantly send to the front.

As far, as the word Irani. I've heard it before and though it sounded better than Iranian. Maybe I'll change it.

Case · Nov 30, 2003

Originally posted by pawpaw
the problem with the iranian equipment is none of it worked!! the years of neglect and no spare parts meant when iraq invaded few of the m-60 tanks or f-14 tomcats worked

Not true. From memory, the revolution occured only 3 years before the Iraqi invasion. While the loss of the foreign technitions who were intended to maintain and the general chaos of the time did lead to poor servicibility rates, there was plenty of modern US equipment available to the Iranians. Such equipment played a key role in stoping the Iraqi invasion, with the Iranian Air Force perfoming particularly well.

Not suprisingly, servicibilty rates continued to decline throughout the war, which contributed to the importation of eastern bloc weaponry, but there was always enough to equip the Iranian Military's elite units (especially once American/Israeli spare parts, munitions and, possibly, technitons started entering the country as part of the Iran-Contra deals).

It should also be noted that the decision to rely on men over machines was the result of both Iran's inability to access the same streams of foreign loans and weaponry that Iraq was using and a deliberate decision on the part of the Iranian government not to cripple the country's economy. Unlike Iraq, the Iranian economy actually grew as a result of the war.

As far, as the word Irani. I've heard it before and though it sounded better than Iranian. Maybe I'll change it.

Do. AFAIK, there is no such word as 'Irani'.

pawpaw · Nov 30, 2003

Originally posted by Case

Not true. From memory, the revolution occured only 3 years before the Iraqi invasion. While the loss of the foreign technitions who were intended to maintain and the general chaos of the time did lead to poor servicibility rates, there was plenty of modern US equipment available to the Iranians. Such equipment played a key role in stoping the Iraqi invasion, with the Iranian Air Force perfoming particularly well.

actually yaroslav's link states that out of the thousands of iran tanks only a handful of company size formations had working tanks. it states the air force was in better shape

Case · Dec 1, 2003

Originally posted by pawpaw
actually yaroslav's link states that out of the thousands of iran tanks only a handful of company size formations had working tanks. it states the air force was in better shape

Yeah, which is a lot more then the "none" you stated was operational before

yaroslav · Dec 1, 2003

Irani is the Spanish for Iranian... Maybe you have heard this word to a Spanish speaker, Mr Black?

Mr Black · Dec 1, 2003

Originally posted by yaroslav
Irani is the Spanish for Iranian... Maybe you have heard this word to a Spanish speaker, Mr Black?

I got the two languages mixed. "IRANIAN" it shall be.

pawpaw · Dec 1, 2003

Originally posted by Case

Not true. From memory, the revolution occured only 3 years before the Iraqi invasion. While the loss of the foreign technitions who were intended to maintain and the general chaos of the time did lead to poor servicibility rates, there was plenty of modern US equipment available to the Iranians.

otto von pivka's " armies of the middle east" list iran at the time of the shahs fall with 760 chieftains, 400 m-48 and 460 m-60 tanks. we have only a "handfull" of tank companies (@ 100-125 tanks total) out of 1620 tanks is really poor servicibility!!

jroa99 · Dec 3, 2003

Can't really speak about the tanks, but as far as the Iranian F-14s go, it's surprising how much disinformation/ignorance/tales/rumors have been spread in the west about their condition...so much that only recently, thanks to people who have actually gone to the sources and investigated, instead of just repeating the same old stuff over and over, we can actually pretend to have a clearer picture of what was going on ....

For example, there's an excellent book on the subject of the "air warfare" component of the war (including the above aircraft):

http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php

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