Rise of the Ottomans (C3C)

Intro



Ok, I know everyone and their brother are starting a Rise of the Ottomans (ROTO) scenario, but I wanted to make my own for a long time. Civilleader is doing one for Play the World, and I think Al Zan is interested in doing one too, but I want to be in charge of my own for Conquests. I'm gonna start work this week on it, and it will be like the Conquests. This is how I see the work as going down:


1. Map Completed!

First we'll need to make a map for this part of the world. I'll post exactly what map I'd like a little lower down, but right now we don't have a map for Conquests that fits the criteria needed for a Rise of the Ottomans scenario.

2. Tech Tree

This will be the toughest part for sure. I don't plan on making a 4 era tech tree or anything like that, but a 2 or 3 era like the Middle Ages Conquest has would be nice. A lot of discussion will be needed on this.

3. Units, Buildings, and Resources

All the things that will come with the tech tree. I don't plan on making something completely different... we'll probably use the same resources as the core game has, but we'd have to implement them into the tech tree and map.

4. Civilizations

I already know who they'll be, but I'll need to implement them with leaderheads, cities, great and scientific leaders and all those things. This part should actually be somewhat fun.

5. Testing and Gameplay Modifications

And lastly when everything else is done, work will start on making the game as fun as possible. Possible twists such as victory point locations, regicide, whatever, will come here. Then we'll release it.


That's it, I hope this will be done in a month or two. Now that finals are over I'll have some time to work on this, but any help would be appreciated. I'll start work on the map as soon as I have a day with little homework. Any help with historical discussion, resources, and all that would be appreciated.

Part 1 - the Map

Ok, so let's officially start part one. The map. It's not made yet, but below is attached a pic of basically what I need. If nobody else can, I'll make the map myself, but if any experienced map makers feel like helping out, it'd be much appreciated. The Red dots represent where civilizations will be, and the grey ones are where I'm undecided whether to add a civilization or not.

My 2 cents : you could rotate the map a little to include more of central Europe (Austria ) and less of the Lybian desert for the same size.

I have a long due map to finish so I could not help you on the map, not that soon anyway. But (provided you like my maps of course) you could use the new copy/paste tool for maps :
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73990
and copy parts of my Black sea map or Magna Grecia map.

Edit : oops, maybe I posted too soon and you wanted to finish the parts 1 to 5. Sorry for that.

Thanks for the suggestion, I might do that. My biggest concern is that rotating the map would include too much of Asia or Southern Poland, which I don't want.

This would an idea (very quick exemple).
Why don't you want Southern Poland or Asia, after all the Polish stopped the Ottomans in from ot Vienna and The Krimean Khanat was a direct vassal of the Ottomans (who owned in proper the Kaffa coastline) from 1475 to 1560 at least.

HERE is the map idea...

That map you posted seems to be about right. Why don't I want the Poles? Because if I used the map, I'd only have far Southern Poland, which in my opinion would be kind of pointless since Poland was a very large and powerful kingdom at the time. Rather, maybe I'd have a wonder available only to Christian nations called "Polish Assistance" which would proudce a Winged Hussar every few turns. As for Asia, I'm not that familiar with the history of the region first of all. What I do know is that with the decline of the Golden Horde the region wasn't very stable. Also it serves no real purpose in the gameplay... I mean it would be sort of like having the Indus valley civilizations for the Ancient Mesopotamia Conquest. Yes it'd be a nice additon, but they would be too far away to have any point in the gameplay. I want this scenario to have 3 main routes:

1. The Ottoman route
2. The other Muslim states route (Mamelukes, Safavids)
3. The Christian route (Venice, Hungary)

But as I said that map you posted looks about right. I'll start work on it tonight and keep going tomorrow (It looks like I won't have school tomorrow, the roads are iced over )

Ok, I started 'perliminary' work (that's a word right?). I have a grid modelin a C3C map in paint, and am filling out the tiles based on the map you gave me. As you can see I've done the North coast of Africa, the Arabian peninsula, and part of the Fertile Crescent, starting to work on Anatolia. The interior of this all I will fill based on the countles number of maps that include it.

BYZANTIUM SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!!

I could easily make that map for you on 1 , 2 days tops.
just tell me the width and height you want and i'll get right on it.
though I really support you making your own map, It feels much better than using someone else's

Originally posted by Bóreas
I could easily make that map for you on 1 , 2 days tops.
just tell me the width and height you want and i'll get right on it.
though I really support you making your own map, It feels much better than using someone else's

Click to expand...

Ah, thank you . Well, first I'll check to see if I can make a good one myself. If that doesn't work then I'll give you the dimensions. Excpect me to tell you in about a day or two.

no problem

Ok, this is the outline of the map. Is anything significantly bad? If so, please tell me now. If there are no major worries, I will make these borders in the editor, and then fill them in sectin by section (Africa, to Middle East, to Caspia, to Anatolia, to Balkans, to West Europe) based on how other maps have filled in these areas.

Edit: And I just realized I forgot an island or two . Anyways, I'd say Italy is a bit off, but maybe that's just without Sicily.

Looking good so far.. can't wait until this scenario is done.

That map has all the important features, but still isn't very accurate IMHO.

The easiest way to do outlines(and also the most accurate) is to draw them on a pic of the area you like, then use the BMP to BIC utility. The lines will look a bit messed up in the beginning, but when you begin to correct them you will realise that it gets as correct as possible.

Just trying to help

Italy seems a bit short, otherwise it seems to be good. Apart from the fact that there are a few more Greek islands than Rhodes.

Ok, thanks for the advice. Apparently my options are:

1. Keep working on this map
2. Just hand it over to Boreas
3. Use the bmp to bic utility. I've never heard of this before but I'll check it out.

In the meanwhile here's the new map.

The BMP to Bic utility is easy to use, it must be somewhere in the utility forum..

The utility is on the 1st page of the utilities forum(d'oh)
Now the map:
The north coast of africa has some problems
Azov sea has a more triangular shape
+ I think you blended Nile with Suez channel
Nothing terrible, it's going good!