Autorazing questions

superslug · Feb 4, 2004

There's been some discussion down in an HOF forum thread about autorazing and I couldn't answer all of the questions, so I thought I'd pose them here where there's more traffic/experts.

The situation is regarding taking over a pop-1 AI city and what triggers autorazing. I know that if the town has had a cultural border expansion, it won't autoraze. So what I need to know is this:
1) If the border has not expanded but the town has generated any culture (i.e. 1-9 points), will that prevent autoraze?
2) Do possession of Great Wonders prevent autoraze before a border expansion?

jalapeno_dude · Feb 4, 2004

1. I'm fairly sure that if there is any culture (or culture-producing buildings) in a cuty, it will not autorazed.
2. A wonder is a cultural building, so even if this is the first turn built and the city has no culture, it will not autoraze.

superslug · Feb 4, 2004

So you're thinking that all autoraze is prevented by mere possession of any culture generator? Can anyone confirm this?

Duke Togo · Feb 4, 2004

If there's culture, it won't autoraze. If you have say, a Temple in the city, the city is going to have culture.

EMan · Feb 4, 2004

I'm not sure this is a definitive answer, Duke Togo.

If an AI capital city (viz. Has a culture-producing Palace) is ONE population and has less than 10 culture points it WILL auto-raze!

Grille · Feb 4, 2004

Yes, EMan is right.

But citizens nationality plays also a role.
Say, you capture a city that never had accumulated any single culture point (under any rule) from civ A. Now you starve the pop down to one (the last citizen has still the nationality A) and A can retake the city w/o autorazing.

I even think that size 1 towns w/o culture will not be razed if that lone citizen's nationality is not identical with the current owner's nationality (you capture civ A's town with citizen of nationality A and civ B can capture that size 1 town from you w/o autorazing).

Duke Togo · Feb 4, 2004

I wonder what the cut off point with culture is?

Padma · Feb 5, 2004

The exact details of the cut-off point has changed with the various updates (patches & expansions). That is what causes the confusion.

Originally, I believe that the *any* culture was the key. At some point that got changed to "at least 10 Culture Points (enough to expand the borders). I *think* (ands I may be wrong) that if you are playing Civ3 v1.29f, or PTW or Conquests, the formula is 10 CP/Border expansion.

dojoboy · Feb 5, 2004

Originally posted by EMan

If an AI capital city (viz. Has a culture-producing Palace) is ONE population and has less than 10 culture points it WILL auto-raze!

This is not the case w/ starting capitals. Just yesterday I capture Babylon at size 1, and it did not auto-raze; however, the city to where th capital jumps will/does auto-raze if size 1. Now, if culture benchmarks have been met, it will not.

Of course, I had no way of knowing Babylon's culture points.

Praetorian · Feb 6, 2004

Size is no idicator of culture I have cities with a pop of one and LOTS of culture, I simply use this city to produce workers and settlers

Grille · Feb 7, 2004

Erm, of course not. But if the city had size 30 (or just 2), local culture would not play a role anyways (no auto-razing) regardless of culture accumulated. We're just considering size 1 towns here.

I think dojoboy was talking about capturing the 'default' capital of Babylon with only one pop point (most likely) before turn 10 (i.e. no expansion yet). I never knew that this is an exception to the autoraze rule.

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