Judicial Review - T3-1

Peri · Mar 1, 2004

The following request has been made by Ravensfire

Code:

Under Article D.1 does the Ministry of Internal Affairs have the authority to discuss, poll and order the change of government for Fanatica?



[quote]
The Minister of Internal Affairs shall be responsible for all domestic and cultural initiatives, as prescribed by law.[/quote]


Should the Court determine that the Ministry of Internal Affairs not have the authority, I further request that they determine who does have that authority.

I ask that the court consider this matter with the utmost speed.

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire

This discussion thread will remain open for 48 hours

donsig · Mar 1, 2004

ANYONE can discuss and poll changing governments. So it seems the only real legal question here is can the Minister of Internal Affairs legally post a game play instruction to change our government type? Since there are no specific laws or standards regarding the switching of government types (except for one stating the game play session can be extended to complete a period of anarchy) the only relevant guidance comes from the constitution itself. Being a *domestic initiative* it seems clear that the Minister of Internal Affairs could indeed post legal instructions to switch government types.

I'm left wondering why this JR was even asked for in the first place...

Octavian X · Mar 1, 2004

Question: Is, then, a call for a revolution considered a 'domestic initative?'

DaveShack · Mar 1, 2004

Are the findings of Term 1 JR 11 relevant to this case?

donsig · Mar 1, 2004

Originally posted by Octavian X
Question: Is, then, a call for a revolution considered a 'domestic initative?'

It's not military, it's not trade or technology, it's not foreign affairs. It is domestic in nature. It is also an important enough thing to fall under someone's domain.

donsig · Mar 1, 2004

Originally posted by DaveShack
Are the findings of Term 1 JR 11 relevant to this case?

No, this does not apply. Revolutions do not require cash outlays nor slider changes.

DaveShack · Mar 1, 2004

donsig, I now see what you mean about the restrictions which justices must operate within. :eek:

Getting people to echo your opinion by proxy, by carefully asking the right question in the right way, is likely to become a demogame art form if we keep this up. :lol:

I don't think my previous question was understood in the proper context, as it said nothing about slider instructions nor cash requests, however some previous responses in the thread seem to be saying what I was looking for.

ravensfire · Mar 1, 2004

Originally posted by DaveShack
Are the findings of Term 1 JR 11 relevant to this case?

Yes. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is charged with all domesic matters. Certainly our form of government is a most critical domestic matter.

Leading discussions, and polling for a change of Government should be within the purview of the MIA.

-- Ravensfire

donsig · Mar 1, 2004

Originally posted by DaveShack

I don't think my previous question was understood in the proper context, as it said nothing about slider instructions nor cash requests, however some previous responses in the thread seem to be saying what I was looking for.

I'd really like to know what the heck you are talking about. :confused:

What *context* were you trying to get us to use? Previous responses in this thread said what you were looking for? Or was it previous responses in the old JR you linked to? Can I have a hint?

ravensfire · Mar 1, 2004

Perhaps this might explain.

Question:

I would like to request a Judical Review of CoL section I relative to the range of in-game actions which can be the subject of instructions by any official. The law in question reads:

At issue is whether instructions for in-game actions which are not specifically identified in law as pertaining to the responsibilities of an office, but which have an ancilliary effect on that office, are "within the limitations of the office".

Answer:

Final Decision: Yes, as long as the instructions given do not fall specifically and directly within the responsibilities of another leader or leaders, as prescribed by CoL B.2.e-h

-- Ravensfire

zorven · Mar 1, 2004

(Just some thoughts running through my head....)

I keep thinking that it is Congress that is responsible for making any decision to change our government. It also occurs to me that other acts of Congress are passed that affect what the DP does, but are not posted in the Turn Chat thread. For example, provincial definitions and changes of law. So, do we need to have a Minister post this act of Congress in the TCIT under our current law?

donsig · Mar 2, 2004

Well, zorven, is there any law or standard giving that power solely to the Congress?

Peri · Mar 3, 2004

This discussion is now closed. A Ruling will be produced shortly

Thanks

zorven · Mar 3, 2004

Originally posted by donsig
It's not military, it's not trade or technology, it's not foreign affairs. It is domestic in nature. It is also an important enough thing to fall under someone's domain.

Let me point out CoL B.1.f, dealing with the duites of the President.

Code:

f.  Is responsible for policies, plans and agendas for 
        items and activities that have not been defined as a 
        task of an individual department or leader.

donsig · Mar 4, 2004

You're still running up against Article D's *domestic and cultural initiatives*, zorven. You've also got to address the fact that the President is not empowered to post game play instructions. As DP the President can certainly make needed decisions where instructions are lacking but that is far different from posting actual legal game play instructions. Something as important as governemntal changes should be in a posted instruction - not decided on the fly during a game play session.

Judicial Review - T3-1

Peri

Vote early and vote often

donsig

Low level intermediary

Octavian X

is not a pipe.

DaveShack

Inventor

donsig

Low level intermediary

donsig

Low level intermediary

DaveShack

Inventor

ravensfire

Member of the Opposition

donsig

Low level intermediary

ravensfire

Member of the Opposition

zorven

12,000 Suns

donsig

Low level intermediary

Peri

Vote early and vote often

zorven

12,000 Suns

donsig

Low level intermediary

Similar threads