T&T - Research after Feudalism

We learn Feudalism in no longer than 21 turns. Perhaps earlier if the slider is upped or we get it in peace-declarations or some other way.

It's time to debate: What next ?

Possibilities:
Theology.
Chivalry.
Engineering.
Monarchy.

Chivalry, then the Cavalry line.

i agree with CT

I tend to agree. We should focus on techs that give us the military might to expand as we please.

does the ai normally follow the calvary or education path?
because if it follows the education path we could easily trade for techs we need with the 1 thousand some gold.

The AI follows the education path. BTW, there is a problem. Germany has the Great Library. While we can head for the Cav path, we do need to gift Germany education ASAP.

Assessment:

1. We are doing min research on feudalism which IMHO is unlikely to succeed
2. somebody else may already be researching theology and thus we should not try fast research on it
3. somebody else may already be researching engineering and thus we should not try fast research on it either
4. we have a lot of cash and can afford to buy feudalism, once it is known to 2 or 3 civs[/list=1]Suggestion:
   1. once we have bought feudalism, we should be able to research fast and try a run for chivalry
   2. we might be able to trade chivalry for theology and engineering
   3. or we might even trade for engineering and feudalism in one trading cycle[/list=1]
      
      PS: We need to have horsemen to upgrade to knights

Bah - never mind. Chivalry. What are we going to do with Chivalry? Sigh.

-- Ravensfire

We need to head up the education path, the AI's normally stop at education, leaving Printing Press, Democracy, and Economics free for us to grab, and with it a new government and one of the most powerful wonders. The trading strenght of economis and Democracy is also considerable, and could likely buy us any of the techs and more we lost in our mad race for them.

The majority of AI's head up the path to military tradation, and would likely out pace us. This would leave us behind in technology, and leave us nothing to trade for them.

How does the AI view optional techs? I actually forget now, since it has changed from Civ3 to PTW to C3C.

Originally posted by Chieftess
How does the AI view optional techs? I actually forget now, since it has changed from Civ3 to PTW to C3C.

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They generally ignore them, you may get one or two (on a huge map) that decides to research one, but other than that there generally not researched untill the next age.

Originally posted by Strider
They generally ignore them, you may get one or two (on a huge map) that decides to research one, but other than that there generally not researched untill the next age.

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Since I play on Macintosh, I play plain Civ 3. And I can assure you that you are wrong regarding chivalry, printing press, democracy, and economics at least.

PS: I often are in the next age until the AIs research economics and (sometimes) music theory for me. .

Chivalry, then go for guns.

Originally posted by tao
Since I play on Macintosh, I play plain Civ 3. And I can assure you that you are wrong regarding chivalry, printing press, democracy, and economics at least.

PS: I often are in the next age until the AIs research economics and (sometimes) music theory for me. .

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Your PS just proves that I am right, the AI normally research's down the military tradation path, it's a proven fact. The AI base's it's research off of what technologies are worth the most, and the one's in those line is worth more than Banking/Printing Press, which is why the AI who even goes down that path, stops at education. That would allow us the acquire banking, and then the vey expensive economics and democracy, with just democracy we could possibly buy the entire "war" path from differant civs.

We are likely to see Theology/Engerneering acquired and traded around by the scientific civs, we might beable to get feudalism and get both of those techs by trading it around, but if they AI's get feudalism before us, it will be expensive to buy theology/engerneering from them (and I doubt we will beable to afford it). I doubt we are going to be researching as fast as some of the other civs, so are only chance to get ahead is by acquiring the technologies that the AI's normally don't go for (Chivarly, Music Theory, the art one (Forgot it's name ), and trade them off. All of those technologies lay within the Education path, and there is a very little chance another AI will get them before we do.

Now, by time we get democracy, if we get every tech/side tech in the chain, we should have gotten all the way up to magnesium by trading, we could easily research military tradation, or navigation, whichever we prefer.

Originally posted by Strider
Your PS just proves that I am right, the AI normally research's down the military tradation path, it's a proven fact.

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You have your opinions and experience, I have mine. And I have never seen it "proven".

OTOH I value it much higher to be the first to military tradition, upgrade a dozen knights and run over 1 or two AIs, than to be able to build banks or even any wonder earlier, or to do good deals. Growth by war is the way to go in the Middle Ages, before riflemen reduce the usefullness of cavalry.

Originally posted by tao
You have your opinions and experience, I have mine. And I have never seen it "proven".

OTOH I value it much higher to be the first to military tradition, upgrade a dozen knights and run over 1 or two AIs, than to be able to build banks or even any wonder earlier, or to do good deals. Growth by war is the way to go in the Middle Ages, before riflemen reduce the usefullness of cavalry.

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I'm not basing it off my experience or my opinions, I'm basing it off the facts other's have gathered during there research of the way Civ3 works.