This just in: Babylon has just declared war on Germany! Those swords and bowman that were passing through Mure were headed towards Germany, probably to sneak attack them. Should we start our war on Babylon soon? We'll need atleast 20-25 knights to start with. If we can catch Babylon while their main forces are in Germany, we stand a very good chance of capturing cities. We'll also have to watch out for their culture, since a city of ours just flipped to them...
Discussion: War With Babylon?
- Thread starter Chieftess
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They have Gunpowder, we don't yet (this is posted at the end of turn 5 in the TC). They are probably having muskets soon. Why commit suicide ?
donsig
Low level intermediary
All we are saying is give peace a chance.
Where's Cyc?
Where's Cyc?
donsig
Low level intermediary
Well, is it the optimal time for our golden age? Do we have a forbidden palace yet? What kind of government are we in? Are we trying to build any wonders? 
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
Id say wait about 10 turns or so for a complete armed buildup, then hit Babylon from behind to maximise our effect as they would be tied up with Germany for a bit and their forces would be over there mostly.
Even if Babylon does have muskets, remember this. In the Ancient age, knights vs. muskets would be comparible to Mounted Warriors vs. hoplites/legions. We have the advantage - retreat. We can also cut off their saltpeter and iron.
Their east side is rather vulnerable, as we can attack 3-4 cities in 1 turn. Also, Babylon is setting aside an amount of gpt for the German war, and with us in the mix, they'll be pushed back even more.
Their east side is rather vulnerable, as we can attack 3-4 cities in 1 turn. Also, Babylon is setting aside an amount of gpt for the German war, and with us in the mix, they'll be pushed back even more.
We could assemble a bunch of knights in the forest west of Mure. In the first turn, they can take Lagash and Larsa. Zariqum to follow. Afterwards attack Akkad to take away their horses. The rest is a peace of cake.
I personally however would wait till we are close to/know mt and attack with cavalry. Babylon now is weak compared to us and the scale will continue to tilt in our advantage. Thus I would invest now in science (libraries: Santa Lucia, Bootsville, Liebling) and pop growth.
I personally however would wait till we are close to/know mt and attack with cavalry. Babylon now is weak compared to us and the scale will continue to tilt in our advantage. Thus I would invest now in science (libraries: Santa Lucia, Bootsville, Liebling) and pop growth.
I think using a musketeer to ignite our GA will help our Wonder-construction a lot and can just get the edge over the Babylonians or the Russians. The tricky question is: who do we attack to ignite our GA ?
My choice would be England.
My choice would be England.
tao: not if we gift England a city 
not; it comes with a free unit (if I recall correctly). I am testing this in a different game right now.
Tested it: the gifted city gets 1 defending unit (the strongest currently available for that civ). Remember that will be a spear for England; they haven't got iron, nor saltpeter available for that city.
New Morgana, Kobayashi city or Antillia qualify for this, in my eyes.
Sounds interesting; right ?
Tested it: the gifted city gets 1 defending unit (the strongest currently available for that civ). Remember that will be a spear for England; they haven't got iron, nor saltpeter available for that city.
New Morgana, Kobayashi city or Antillia qualify for this, in my eyes.
Sounds interesting; right ?
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
CT, you got a plan coming? Ill get one as well.
ravensfire
Member of the Opposition
We would give them one of our cities, filled with loyal French citizens, just so we could declare a phony war upon them to trigger our golden age?
Where is the honor in that? Where is the pride we are known for? Would you go to the homes of those French citizens destroyed in your phony war and try to explain to the grieving child why the rest of her family has died?
'Tis a foul, underhanded ploy, that should only be done by desperate men without a shred of decency. We have no pressing need of this - we have several civs we are in contact with to honorably declare our intentions.
No, if we desire conflict, let us do so openly, respecting the rights of all French citizens. Not this underhanded ploy reeking of deception and treachery.
-- Ravensfire
Where is the honor in that? Where is the pride we are known for? Would you go to the homes of those French citizens destroyed in your phony war and try to explain to the grieving child why the rest of her family has died?
'Tis a foul, underhanded ploy, that should only be done by desperate men without a shred of decency. We have no pressing need of this - we have several civs we are in contact with to honorably declare our intentions.
No, if we desire conflict, let us do so openly, respecting the rights of all French citizens. Not this underhanded ploy reeking of deception and treachery.
-- Ravensfire
donsig
Low level intermediary
Bravo Ravensfire!
Do we have a Forbidden Palace?
Do we have a Forbidden Palace?
Furiey
No Longer Just Lurking
Yes - in Groton
