New wonders thread

What about some new wonders...

Scotland Yard
Requires Indutrialization
Cost: 500
Obsolete with Robotics
Works as Courthouse in every city on the continent.

Eco-Project
Requires Recycling
Cost: 500
Works as Recycling Plant in every city on the continent.

Real AI
Requires Robotics
Cost: 600
Increases bulb production by 100% in all your cities.

Do you have any more suggestions? Or do you want to talk about these WoWs?

Earth Day
Requiers Recycling
cost: 500
Dramatically reduces pollution in ALL cities, reduces pollution in your cities furthermore and produces a happy face in all of your cities.

Panama Canal
Industrial Age (perhaps Industrialization)
Cost: 400 - 500
Only built in Coastal city
Allows owner's workers to build Canal improvement in friendly or neutral terrrain.
Canals allow naval units to pass through land from one water body to another (one water sqaure or coastal city to another water square or coastal city). Also allows cities on the coast of (freshwater) inland seas to build naval units.
Canals can only be built on "flat" terrain, no hills, mountains, or volcanoes.
Canals can only be built on sqaures with road, railroad, or irrigation improvements. No mines, radar towers, airfields, outposts, forts, barricades, or other improvments.
Canals automatically reduce all shield, food, and commerce in a square by one-half, rounded down.
Naval vessels may only pass through a canal if they have enough movement to reach the other side or back out, i.e., they may not end their turn in a canal square.
Canals can be blocked at either end by any foreign naval unit, allied, friendly, or otherwise.
Maybe allow for non-hostile civs to use canals for a small fee, one or two gold per vessel, provided both ends of the canal are clear.

Not only do I want to see new wonders, but old one's from Civ 2 as well:

Statue of Liberty
Eifle Tower
Marco Polo's Trade Embassy

Originally posted by Judge_Deadd
What about some new wonders...

Scotland Yard
Requires Indutrialization
Cost: 500
Obsolete with Robotics
Works as Courthouse in every city on the continent.

Real AI
Requires Robotics
Cost: 600
Increases bulb production by 100%.

Do you have any more suggestions? Or do you want to talk about these WoWs?

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Scotland Yard: Or perhaps a Hammurabis code that does the thing (but expires earlier does to its required tech: code of law.)

Real AI: what's bulb production?

More ideas:

String Theory
Requires: something post-modern
Cost: 1000-1500 -- perhaps, in civ 4, there should be a new system for production something like this. THis is a scientific discovery, not something you "build."
Effects: increase science (at least for technical-technologices) output by 20 % in all cities?

Statue of Libery
REquires: Industrialization
Cost: 650?
Effects: increases change of immigration OR give it to somebody else which.....
See more about his idea in my idea thread, #1: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84835

Originally posted by soren
Real AI: what's bulb production?

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Science production.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that AI increases science in all your cities. I've corrected it now.

I apologize for double post but...

Arthemida's Temple
Requires Polytheism
Expires with Theology
Cost: 400
Acts as Temple in every city on the continent.

Note: Colosseum improvement shall be renamed to Amphitheatre, because there is just one Colosseum in the world.

Colosseum
Requires Engineering
Expires with Electricity
Cost: 400
Acts as Amphitheatre in every city on the continent.

Ancient Olympics
Requires Currency
Expires with Metallurgy
Cost: 400
One extra trade arrow on squares where there is already at least one trade arrow already. 1 unhappy citizen is content. These effects are limited to the city in which it was built.

Modern Olympics
Requires Computers
Cost: 600
Two extra trade arrows on squares where there is already at least one trade arrow already. 3 unhappy citizen is content. These effects are limited to the city in which it was built.

I really, really want to see more of the "great wonders" have time limits. I also love the idea that CTP had of acheiving (doh, spelling!) great events, like circumnavigating the globe, etc. The great wonders need to have many more obsolete spots. Also, I think that any civ should be able to negate either any or some of the wonders.

For instance, the Great Wall should work for the owning Civ forever, but only against other civs that do not have metallurgy. The Great Library should be come obsolete regardless of which civ discovers the correct technology.

I was playing a Civ3 game where I was the Ottomans and was near the Persians. They built the Great Library and so I took the city to gain the advances. Persepolis converted back to the Persians, but not until after I gained a bunch of advances in the Ancient Age. Here is the kicker. I researched towards Military Tradition, making d$#n sure to avoid Education. My Sipahi warriors took Persepolis again (I had also just gotten my GA) and I gained every advance into the Industrial Age, including Medicine and Nationalism (one of them from my own sages, no doubt). All because I had made sure to not have Education before taking the Library.

My choice of today:

The Great Mountain Road
Camelot (or, Shuri Castle)
The Great Law of Peace
The Grand Bazar
East Indies Company
Kruger National Park (or small wonder: Wildlife Reserve)
The Trans-Siberian Railroad

Great Wonders:
Westminster Abbey
Brandenburg Gate
Washington Memorial


Some more I guess later.

the Colosseum improvent should be renamed to Stadium.

Originally posted by Judge_Deadd
I apologize for double post but...
Arthemida's Temple
Requires Polytheism
Expires with Theology
Cost: 400
Acts as Temple in every city on the continent.

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Isn't this is C3C? Temple of Artemis. Does all of these things you said, with almost (or exactly) the same requirements and expirements...

Originally posted by soren

String Theory
Requires: something post-modern
Cost: 1000-1500 -- perhaps, in civ 4, there should be a new system for production something like this. THis is a scientific discovery, not something you "build."
Effects: increase science (at least for technical-technologices) output by 20 % in all cities?

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What about changing this into relativity theory? I agree that there should be something like this discovered, not build. Perhaps it is a free Great Wonder for someone who first reaches, say, atomic theory? Or why couldn't there be scientific wonders - now this is a new one! - that would work just as buildings, but they are techs that can only be researched by one. There could be a lot of these along the way. And this way we could change some existing wonders, like Theory of Evolution to a scientific wonder (I have never found out where Darwing built his theory of evolution...). Philosophy might be one of these in ancient times and so on. I should ponder more on this..perhaps I will return later to this topic. I think it's an idea worth pondering..
(Well, I would, because it's my idea, so of course it is great until someone points out that its actually mighty crappy idea )

Here are some Scientific Wonders I came up with. I don't know I have nailed the most important scientific or ideological breakthroughs of history - probably not - but these are just preliminary ideas. Some of these are old technologies that I would rather see as technological wonders instead of just steps on the way. I hate seeing writing - probably the single most useful invention in history - be just a step to literacy with only the ability to establish embassies. Some of these could be thoroughly independent scientific wonders, some could be like philosophy is not - the first to research it gets a bonus. Here they are.

Ancient times

Code of Hammurabi. Perhaps free courthouses, as Soren or Ribannah or <insert name> suggested. An independent tech from Code of Laws - or perhaps even alternative tech. The first to discover Code of Laws would actually discover Code of Hammurabi, the others would discover Code of Laws. I don't know, just an idea.

Philosophy. Perhaps as it is now - but not necessarily needed for the Republic?

Geometry. Perhaps gives a boost to science for a certain number of turns? An independent technology from mathematics. Could give the School of Pythagoras or something, also.

Astrology. Apart from astronomy, naturally. A boost to science? A boost to religion (if there was such a concept in cIV)? A boost to culture? An independent tech from mathematics.

Optics. As far as I know Arkhimedes (or however he is spelled in English) used huge "mirrors" made out of copper to burn Persian ships, much like I used to scorch ants with my magnifying glass ) Could give a bonus to ship attack?

Writing. A huge bonus to science for the first one to discover it. Perhaps a free tech as in Philosophy? Should have a bigger role than it has now, anyway.

Medieval times

Analytic geometry. Descartes's discovery of analytic geometry has been thought as probably the most significant scientific breakthrough of whole second millennium. Co-ordinates were discovered by him. Free tech for the one who researches it? A bit dull. Perhaps something more innovative. I'm all uncreative here... An independent tech from Education?

Music Theory. As now, happy people.

Freedom of Speech. An independent tech from Printing Press - or Printing Press replaced by this. Happy people, perhaps lesser corruption? A scientific boost? An economical boost?

Copernican Revolution/Heliocentrisism. A boost to naval movement due to increased knowledge of Earth. This could also be replaced by some tech that represents the roundness of earth. An independent tech from astronomy. Could be simple left as Magellan's Voyage, though.

The Crusades. An independent tech from Chivalry. Would replace Knights Templar? Knights Templar isn't actually something that was built, it happened.

The Inquisition. A boost to religion/culture. An independent tech from Theology.

Perspective. Perhaps not needed, as Free Artistry already exists. Perspective is real important, though..

Industrial Ages

Scientific Method/Theory of Evolution. Free techs to the first who discovers. Perhaps Theory of Evolution should be an independent tech from SM. Then SM would not give the free techs, but ToE would.

Atomic Theory. Now I think that this would give techs too, but we already have one giving techs...

Egalitarism/Universal Suffrage. As it is now, but as a scientific wonder.

White Man's Burden. This might do something similar to The Crusades earlier. Free units representing the western ideology of white men ruling over all. An independent tech from Nationalism?

Modern times

Theory of Relativity. Free techs? (The modern ages version of ToE) An independent tech from...? Perhaps a totally independent tech?

String Theory. Some scientific boost. Independent tech from, say, Nuclear Power (or what's the tech called - don't play modern times much )

Set Theory. Too much like previous ones...?

Human Genome Project. An ind. tech from Genetics. Happy people and perhaps the Longevity effects?

Game Theory. A huge economical boost. Doubles the effect of Stock Echanges...? An independent tech from...?

The Laser. I just want it to make a bigger impact on the game...

Superconductor. The same applies to this.

There should be more variation to the effects. There are too much scientific boosts. More military boosts and industrial boosts are needed. Superconductor and laser could help your industry?

The reason I want scientific wonders is simply that not all wonders are BUILT, they are thought, invented. This would also increase the importance of having a good science. I never do the "lower-the-science-to-10%-trick" because I think it's really boring. I can somewhat keep up and often get a head of AI on Emperor with my science. I think that you should have more benefits from being the scientific leader of the world. The SGLs are a step to a right direction, IMO. It is not of course an exploit or even unrealistic to buy others' techs and not research yourself. I am just saying that this should have some setbacks.

There would (and should) still be enough buildable wonders left after some became scientific. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Added the proper credits. If anybody else knows somebody who has suggested Code of Hammurabi at one time in a bar or something, just use your imagination and insert the name to its proper place to be highlighted with honour!
Perhaps we should just admit, that Hammurabi beat us all to it? I have always wondered what's the fuss about who discovered america and who didn't. Nobody asks the indians! (not the Indians, obviously..) It's like somebody breaking into my house from the kitchen and somebody from my bedroom ten seconds later and ending up fighting in the living room which of them owns the house!

Originally posted by Shyrramar
Code of Hammurabi. Perhaps free courthouses, as Soren suggested.

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This was one of my suggestions for Civ3 at the time.

Originally posted by Shyrramar
Isn't this is C3C? Temple of Artemis. Does all of these things you said, with almost (or exactly) the same requirements and expirements...

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Yep, but I din't play C3C

Originally posted by Ribannah
This was one of my suggestions for Civ3 at the time.

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Oh, sorry You shouldn't be left without credits, then! I'm off to editing now...

Lol - I'm just happy that someone likes my ideas.
Now, who will open a 'new improvements' thread so I can add the Kinderdike Mills (mill in every city) here, eh?

Big Ben would be cool.