Hundred Years War - Conquests

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luiz

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When Edward III, the young king of England, challenged his cousin Phillipe de Valois, king of France, and claimed for himself the throne of France*, Valois laughed.
After all, France was 5 times more populous then England, and was the most powerful and respected Christian kingdom.
However, the English were decided to fight for their king, and the result was the longest war ever fought between those two nations.

While France still depended on it's barons as an army and had almost no infantry, Edward III had created a professional and permanent Army, that composed an efficient infantry force.
The result became obvious in the famous battle of Crécy, where the french army, much larger then the english one, was defeated.
The french however did not learn the lesson in Crécy, and repeated the same mistake in Poitiers - and again, with a much larger army, were defeated by the english forces.

Under the rule of Jean II, son of Phillipe, the order in France had collapsed, and the coutry was defenseless and humiliated. Many french cities were surrendering without fight, because beign under english occupation was oftenly better then beign under the rule of Jean II.

It would take severall decades untill the french learned from their mistakes, organized a decent infantry and finally expelled the english out of their nation.

*Edward III was in fact the legitmate king of France, since he was the son of Isabelle de France, daughter of Phillipe IV the Fair. Phillipe de Valois was only a nephew of Phillipe the Fair. However he managed to become king due to a complicated successory crisis, that included the Salic Law, an old and forgotten frankish law that forbbided women of becaming rulers. The Salic Law was brought up to avoid that the daughter of Louis X, who was son of Phillipe the Fair and king of France, became queen, because it was suspected that she was a bastard daughter of Phillipe d'Aunay, who was executed for having an affair with the wife of Louis X.

In this scenario the human players are England and France.

There is a locked alliance between England and Flanders and between France and Scotland(and between the Kingdom of Granada and the Sultanate of Morocco, that are at war with Castille & Aragon).

The longbowman is only avaiable to the English, and is slightly cheaper then the normal one. I did this becasue the english were the only ones able to successfuly use the longbowman, and they brought terror to France, where they were known as Hellequin(In archaic french it means "soldier of the devil")

Europe is divided among the following civs:
England
France
Kingdom of Naples
Kingdom of Hungary
Holy Roman Empire
Norway
Ilkhan Empire
Kipchak Horde
Castille & Aragon
Denmark
Sultanate of Morocco
Scotland
Kingdom of Granada
Flanders
Portugal
Byzantine Empire

Have fun! :)
 

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Originally posted by ArbitraryGuy
Looks good... why all the boats in the Black Sea?

It's one boat for each civ, so that they can make contact in the firts turn.

When I was testing the scenario, playing as England, ti took me about 10 turns to contact the Ilkhanids, and that annoyed me. So I put one galley for each civ in a remote part of the map.
 
Originally posted by Johann MacLeod
im downloading it now, are there any added units?

Nope.
I just changed some existing units to make them more fit to the scenario.
 
Originally posted by luiz
It's one boat for each civ, so that they can make contact in the firts turn.

When I was testing the scenario, playing as England, ti took me about 10 turns to contact the Ilkhanids, and that annoyed me. So I put one galley for each civ in a remote part of the map.

Normally in the C3C editor you have an option where you have embassies already set up with other countries, just to avoid having to use that kind of trick. Maybe you should check.
 
luiz,

This is a fast-moving, very interesting scenario.
Should be a winner.

I rate it excellent.

Best Regards

Rocoteh
 
Originally posted by LouLong
Normally in the C3C editor you have an option where you have embassies already set up with other countries, just to avoid having to use that kind of trick. Maybe you should check.

Interesting, although I don't know if giving embassies for evryone would be much realistic. For exemple, I doubt that Granada had an Embassy with the Kipchak Horde! ;)
But anyway, it's probably better then the boat solution
 
Originally posted by Rocoteh
luiz,

This is a fast-moving, very interesting scenario.
Should be a winner.

I rate it excellent.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

Thanks!
My idea was indeed to create a fast-moving scenario. :)
 
"-You know why they call it a Royale with Cheese?
-I dunno, because of the metric system?
-Check out the big brains on Brett!"

Looks interesting, but sounds like it may need a touchup from the comments.

Cannot wait to play!
 
Originally posted by Aeon221
"-You know why they call it a Royale with Cheese?
-I dunno, because of the metric system?
-Check out the big brains on Brett!"

Looks interesting, but sounds like it may need a touchup from the comments.

Cannot wait to play!

Once you play it don't forget to post your review, so that I can improve the scenario in future versions. ;)
 
Does anyone knows how I can post a pic of the map from the loaded scenario?
 
I managed to win as both England and France, so I guess this scenario is reasonably balanced.
On the 1.1 version I'll add more power to Norway, though, as they got completely destructed by the Kipchak Hord in both games I played.
 
Looks good but you have misplaced Calais. It should be on grid coordinate 19,41 (where the British medieval infantry are in the North). Also I think it may have belonged to Britain at the time.
 
Originally posted by Phoenix
Also I think it may have belonged to Britain at the time.

Nope. Calais was indeed one of the first cities captured by the English, but the scenario starts at the very first year of the war, when it was still under french command.
 
Needs some veteran units.

Scattered unit placement is very annoying. Gathering them all in one or two key positions would be far more convenient.

I am curious as to why you gave the French Navarre.

It was not one of their territories (independant, but I assume you know that since you made this map ;p), and would make more sense as a Spanish one (and yes, I know that it was not their territory until the 1500s).

Hanseatic area is totally unsettled, which is somewhat disturbing.

Also, the inclusion of all those boats is entirely unecessary. You know which ones... ;p

Finally, you put Calais in Normandy. The Pas de Calais is where the English troops are (as has already been stated up in the thread by someone else).

Other than that... I will be back to whine like a dying bird if I see something else that should be changed!

This scenario is not flashy, but it is elegant in its simplicity. A few changes and it will be a classic. Nice one! ;p
 
Scenario looks like it has a lot of promise.

After loading both sides, I offer a few observations:

British moving first really hurts the French as typically, the French channel fleet is destroyed and a good chunk of the French military deployed next to the British is destroyed as well along with the French losing part of their siege artillery. When the French move first, they are able to concentrate their forces a bit better and are able to better defend themselves.

After wheeling and dealing on the first turn, I managed to get the French printing presses, education, and invention along with well over 1000 gold, allowing them to start on muskets.

*Edit*

The leaders of France and England are both named Edward III
 
i have yet to play it and dont know if this is included, but do the French have the ability to build the longbowmen? if so why dont yo change tis to the ability to build genoise* crossbowmen as they were often hired by the French.

*probably spelt wrong
 
Originally posted by Aeon221

Scattered unit placement is very annoying. Gathering them all in one or two key positions would be far more convenient.
I understand your opinion, but the scatering reflects the nature of the french army: the troops were where the barons were. The french kings during the war had a hard time gathering all barons for the important battles(In the battle of Poitiers Jean II took more then a year to gather the entire army).

Originally posted by Aeon221

I am curious as to why you gave the French Navarre.

It was not one of their territories (independant, but I assume you know that since you made this map ;p), and would make more sense as a Spanish one (and yes, I know that it was not their territory until the 1500s).
Phillippe IV, King of France, married the queen of Navarra. And thus his son, Louis X, became king of France and Navarra. After his death, Navarra was given to the bastard daughter of his wife to appese her family, and became independent. But nevertheless, Navarra was governed by a french family, and thus was closer to France then Castille. In severall battles Navarre sent troops to fight for the french.

Originally posted by Aeon221

Hanseatic area is totally unsettled, which is somewhat disturbing.

Also, the inclusion of all those boats is entirely unecessary. You know which ones... ;p
That will change in the next version, I assure you.

Originally posted by Aeon221

Finally, you put Calais in Normandy. The Pas de Calais is where the English troops are (as has already been stated up in the thread by someone else).
Although Clais is misplaced, in 1337 it still belonged to the french

Originally posted by Aeon221

Other than that... I will be back to whine like a dying bird if I see something else that should be changed!
NP, critiques are welcome

Originally posted by Aeon221

This scenario is not flashy, but it is elegant in its simplicity. A few changes and it will be a classic. Nice one! ;p
Thanks
 
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