The Battle of Las Navas de Tolsa

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[Adler17]

Good first article.

Adler

 

[SeleucusNicator]

I must say, I am surprised to see you know so much on this topic, as most of your posts are decisively India-related. Then again, this is coming from the guy who uses an ancient Macedonian name to write about 19th century American Presidents. Isn't CFC wonderful.

Good job on the article. I hope to see more.

 

[jonatas]

nice article... im pleasantly surprised that your interested in this subject... it's one of my favourites

i would suggest adding more detail to your articles to improve on them... but i enjoyed it

 

[Lord_Sidious]

Very well, a pefect description of one of the most important battles in Iberia. Actually you say that the portuguese king was Alfonso II but in the portuguese language is AFONSO not Alfonso!

 

[Verbose]

Very well, a pefect description of one of the most important battles in Iberia. Actually you say that the portuguese king was Alfonso II but in the portuguese language is AFONSO not Alfonso!

In his defense, this is an English speaking environment. English name forms are accepted. Besides the list of kings up above is linguistic mess anyway with alternate forms of Alfonso/Afonso and Peter/Pedro/Peire etc.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Later Navarre would be conquered as well uniting all of Modern Spain.

"as well as"?

 

[Jorge]

"as well as"?

As well as Granada. But in fact Navarra was annexionated, not conquered as Granada (I mean, there was not a war to gain Navarra).

 

[Drakan]

Good first article Silver2039.

Btw, isn't it Navas de Tolosa ?

 

[Gagliaudo]

Nice article, indeed
Of course is TolOsa, as Drakan wrote...

 

[expeliarmus]

Very nice description of the battle of Las Navas de TolOsa. (with a "o" between the l and the s).
It seems like if you had been there, hehe.
Just a little thing, Navarre was not conquered, was annexionated to Spain as a result of some treaties (I dont know exactly what kind of treaties), but there was no fight.
And i would like to say: in the Crusades, a lot of european kingdoms sent troops and helped very much to conquer the muslim kingdoms of Holy Land, but in the Spanish Reconquista, the iberian kingdoms were alone against the muslim kingdom, and I think the Iberian Paeninsula being european terrain, would have to be helped to conquer by all europeans..., because what would have happened if the iberian kingdoms had lost the Reconquista?
Greetings to you all.

 

[jonatas]

in the Crusades, a lot of european kingdoms sent troops and helped very much to conquer the muslim kingdoms of Holy Land, but in the Spanish Reconquista, the iberian kingdoms were alone against the muslim kingdom,

well, French, Flemish, German and English forces, knights and noblemen participated at various points in the Iberian Reconquista... many stopped off on their way to the holy land, and the Popes issued papal bulls that ruled fighting in Iberia against the muslims was equal to fighting the muslims in the holy land... so there were some who helped the christian iberians... and don't forget, at this time many of the muslim rulers in iberia allied with the christians against other muslims, and some christians allied with muslims against christian rulers.... remember El Cid ?? it is a fascinating era to study, but it can get quite complicated

 

[yaroslav]

in fact Portugal started out from some county gived to a one/some French crusaders that helped here in Spain (I don't rembember the details, Rolo, McDrear and other of our cousins from Portugal will propably know better)

 

[jonatas]

in fact Portugal started out from some county gived to a one/some French crusaders that helped here in Spain (I don't rembember the details, Rolo, McDrear and other of our cousins from Portugal will propably know better)

yes, to a nobleman of Burgundy... the first royal line of portugal would descend from this line, that is why the first dynasty is sometimes called the "burgundian" dynasty

later, in 1147, french and also english, flemish and germans participated in taking Lisbon, the first bishop appointed was english... many of these crusaders settled in Portugal

the crusaders were intending to go to Palestine, but Afonso Henriques managed to convince them to fight the muslims in his "kingdom"... the english would go on to form many treaties with Portugal, in fact Portugal's alliance with England is one of the oldest in Europe

 

[MCdread]

in fact Portugal started out from some county gived to a one/some French crusaders that helped here in Spain (I don't rembember the details, Rolo, McDrear and other of our cousins from Portugal will propably know better)

Yes, to a member of the family of the counts of Burgundy, Henrique, while his cousin got modern day Galicia. I guess the king of León didn't want it to be possible for the galician kingdom of king Garcia to become a reality again, so he split it. This was a period with very complex religious and dynastic struggles and Henrique became the iberian ally of the Cluny Abbey. When his son Afonso's cause to inherit Castille-León wasn't possible anymore, he started to break away from his cousin, king of Castille and eventually carved his own kingdom. Many french, flemmish, german and english knights took part in the Reconquista. These crusaders had a pivotal role in the conquest if Lisbon for example, and many foreigners were given new lands to colonize. My region of birth for example is called Proença, and it is believed that the name comes from the region of origin of the people who settled it in that time: the region of Provence in southern France.

@jonatas: actually the alliance between Portugal and England is the oldest in the world still in effect. The 100 years war was also felt in the Peninsula, with Portugal defending the english cause and Castille aligned with France. In the crisis of 1383-85, english longbowmen fought in the portuguese army, including in the battle of Aljubarrota. The alliance was officialised when João I, first king of the new dinasty ad interal order that came out of 1385 married the english princess Isabel/Elizabeth of house of Lancaster. But when Portugal emerged from the terrible 2nd half of the XVI century and the Habsburg rule, the alliance was no longer between equal peers, and at some point in the coming centuries Portugal turned almost into a british protectorate.

 

[Lord_Sidious]

Yes, to a member of the family of the counts of Burgundy, Henrique, while his cousin got modern day Galicia. I guess the king of León didn't want it to be possible for the galician kingdom of king Garcia to become a reality again, so he split it. This was a period with very complex religious and dynastic struggles and Henrique became the iberian ally of the Cluny Abbey. When his son Afonso's cause to inherit Castille-León wasn't possible anymore, he started to break away from his cousin, king of Castille and eventually carved his own kingdom. Many french, flemmish, german and english knights took part in the Reconquista. These crusaders had a pivotal role in the conquest if Lisbon for example, and many foreigners were given new lands to colonize. My region of birth for example is called Proença, and it is believed that the name comes from the region of origin of the people who settled it in that time: the region of Provence in southern France.

@jonatas: actually the alliance between Portugal and England is the oldest in the world still in effect. The 100 years war was also felt in the Peninsula, with Portugal defending the english cause and Castille aligned with France. In the crisis of 1383-85, english longbowmen fought in the portuguese army, including in the battle of Aljubarrota. The alliance was officialised when João I, first king of the new dinasty ad interal order that came out of 1385 married the english princess Isabel/Elizabeth of house of Lancaster. But when Portugal emerged from the terrible 2nd half of the XVI century and the Habsburg rule, the alliance was no longer between equal peers, and at some point in the coming centuries Portugal turned almost into a british protectorate.

Yeah, but later the English were only our friends when they wanted, see the example of the Ultimatum and when they conquerd Hormuz from us.
But that was off-topic
The Battle of Navas de Tolosa was one of the most important battles of the Reconquista and maybe the more important

 

[MCdread]

Yeah, but later the English were only our friends when they wanted, see the example of the Ultimatum and when they conquerd Hormuz from us.

Isn't that always the case in international relations?