Chain of Command

[Black_Hole]

How should we setup the change of command? Now remember the City Naming order goes off this, so we need to include governors and judiciary members.
Now we will have to make 2(one for traditional and one for alternate government)

Alternate Goverment
President
Vice President
Commander of Armed Forces
Director of Infrastructure
Director of Commerce
Director of Expansion
Domestic Consul
External Consul
Resources and Technologies Consul
Culture Consul
Governors
Chief Justice
Judge Advocate
Public Defender
Deputies(if used)
Lt. Governors

Now you all are probably wonderig why tactical leaders should play the game before strategic leaders, this is because tactical leaders deal with micromanagement which is what the majority of game playing is.

Now I would personally like to see a different list used for city naming, but since it goes off the CoC, the CoC should be the people most designed for game playhing

 

[Strider]

Here's one for the Tradational Government:

President
Vice President
Domestic Minister
Defense Minister
Trade Minister
Science Minister
Foreign Affairs Minister
Culture Minister

 

[Black_Hole]

Here's one for the Tradational Government:

President
Vice President
Domestic Minister
Defense Minister
Trade Minister
Science Minister
Foreign Affairs Minister
Culture Minister

so governors and judiciary members dont count as officials, thus dont get a priority city name?

 

[Strider]

so governors and judiciary members dont count as officials, thus dont get a priority city name?

Only real purpose for the CoC is for the Naming Commission, and I doubt that we will create more than 8 cities in a single term. Even if so, we will have to go into further discussion into which govonor gets to chose first and also who gets to chose first in the Judiciary.

That can be saved for a later date.

 

[Black_Hole]

Only real purpose for the CoC is for the Naming Commission, and I doubt that we will create more than 8 cities in a single term. Even if so, we will have to go into further discussion into which govonor gets to chose first and also who gets to chose first in the Judiciary.

That can be saved for a later date.

but officials in the first term have priority over ones in the second term, meaning the public defender in term 1 gets to name a city before the president in term 2
We dont have ot worry about it getting down that far, usually one of the first 5 people are going to be at the chat.

 

[Strider]

but officials in the first term have priority over ones in the second term, meaning the public defender in term 1 gets to name a city before the president in term 2
We dont have ot worry about it getting down that far, usually one of the first 5 people are going to be at the chat.

Yes, I know that, but I still stick to my decision to discuss it once the game starts. Better yet, we can discuss it now and then just amend it once the game starts.

 

[DaveShack]

The alternative doesn't wasn't supposed to have a Vice President but because the DP thing didn't pass we'd need to leave one in now.

Governors are in the order the provinces were created. Judiciary is CJ, JA, PD.

During an absense, a deputy takes the full responsibilities of the office, including game play responsibilities. Thus they do not need to be listed in the CoC for game play purposes. I don't think they should be listed for city naming purposes either, especially in the "leader appoints anyone they want as deputy" mode.

 

[Furiey]

The Chain of Command was also to determine the order of who became DP, and I know in DG4 at least (because there was a CC when CT stepped in as DP), deputies were specifically excluded.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Hey everybody, Notary of Names and Titles here......

If I am to successfully give city naming instructions to the DP, I am going to need a solid Chain of Command in place. And since it looks like we are using the Alternative Government structure(a conclusion I reached based more on our recent elections than by the actual ratification of law ), I would like us to work on the ratification of a CoC article for our Code of Laws.

Here's the best way I see at present, but I am open for suggestions:

President
Vice President
Domestic Consul
External Consul
Commander of Armed Forces
Resources and Technologies Consul
Culture Consul
Director of Infrastructure
Director of Commerce
Director of Expansion
Governors
Chief Justice
Judge Advocate
Public Defender

Questionable
Deputies(if used)
Lt. Governors

You will notice that I bumped up the Commander of the Armed Forces past two of the Strategic positions; this is only due to the fact that unit movement is a huge part of a gameplay session, so it makes sense that this office be allowed to forward the game if called upon.

This is just a (second) starting point, and I am hoping that it inspires the necessary dialogue to get this issue fixed. Please join me in finding a quick solution to this dilemma.

 

[Black_Hole]

Hey everybody, Notary of Names and Titles here......

If I am to successfully give city naming instructions to the DP, I am going to need a solid Chain of Command in place. And since it looks like we are using the Alternative Government structure(a conclusion I reached based more on our recent elections than by the actual ratification of law ), I would like us to work on the ratification of a CoC article for our Code of Laws.

Here's the best way I see at present, but I am open for suggestions:

President
Vice President
Domestic Consul
External Consul
Commander of Armed Forces
Resources and Technologies Consul
Culture Consul
Director of Infrastructure
Director of Commerce
Director of Expansion
Governors
Chief Justice
Judge Advocate
Public Defender

Questionable
Deputies(if used)
Lt. Governors

You will notice that I bumped up the Commander of the Armed Forces past two of the Strategic positions; this is only due to the fact that unit movement is a huge part of a gameplay session, so it makes sense that this office be allowed to forward the game if called upon.

This is just a (second) starting point, and I am hoping that it inspires the necessary dialogue to get this issue fixed. Please join me in finding a quick solution to this dilemma.

I would like to see the Director of Infrastrucute upped above Culture Consul. The Culture consul only monitors culture, while teh Director of Infrastrucute has to micromanage all of the workers

it seems i will have the 12th city...

 

[Provolution]

We should stick to the CoC in line with the Constitution discussed and polled upon, and nothing else for Term one, and make necessary amendments throughout Term One.
I agree the Commander of Armed Forces should rank for DP replacement purposes, but that should be separate from city naming purposes.

When we voted for the Constitution, the ranking presented in the Articles should count.

 

[Black_Hole]

We should stick to the CoC in line with the Constitution discussed and polled upon, and nothing else for Term one, and make necessary amendments throughout Term One.
I agree the Commander of Armed Forces should rank for DP replacement purposes, but that should be separate from city naming purposes.

When we voted for the Constitution, the ranking presented in the Articles should count.

but that isnt what the ratifed naming article says provo

 

[Provolution]

Where is the ratified naming article Black Hole ? What does it say, repost a link here with poll results.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

For consistency, we shouldn't separate the CoC from city naming rights, at least in my opinion. And as I've said, I am merely trying to re-open dialogue here so don't take my proposal too seriously. It's just a starting point.

 

[Black_Hole]

Where is the ratified naming article Black Hole ? What does it say, repost a link here with poll results.

Here you go sir,

Link : http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=112556
Votes : 31 - 3 - 3
Specific Quote:

1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the Chain of
Command will determine who has priority.

 

[Provolution]

Good, I assume the Constitution listing still stands for Term One, and all amendments can only be counting for Term 2 and onwards, following elections at that point.

However, I agree 100 % with DZ that the Constitutional listing polled should be revised, not only by rank, but also by mandate structure. But in general, I support the Alternate Proposal.

 

[DaveShack]

We have approximately 9 days to get a CoC finalized for naming purposes, as it will be at least the 3rd and maybe the 4th play session before we have a 2nd city to name, unless the RN Gods are kind to us and grant us a settler from a hut.

 

[Sarevok]

I think this is good.

 

[Provolution]

I reiterate, follow the polled Constitution set up list. This is where the legitimacy of the entire Alternate Proposal stems from and nowhere else.

 

[blackheart]

If we don't get a satisfactory CoC up in time, use a lottery to determine city names.