Culture and R&T Joint Discussion: Do we want to get Free Artistry?

[classical_hero]

I ask this because we know that one civ has that tech and another has Democracy, maybe they also have FA, who knows, until we can check. Don't forget that we still have a monopoly on Chemistry and we could use that t get those techs. I want this tech because of Shakespeare's Threatre. This wonder will give us 8 culture per turn, allows that city to grow above 12 without a hospital and give 8 content citizens where they would be unhappy. If we want to get Shakespeare's Threatre via these trades, then where to place it?

The first question is, Do you even want to get Free Artistry?

The second question is, If yes then where?

Here are some candidates that i can think of.
Donsginia, but it does not have much capiacity to grow.
Husborn Crawley. This city has a much greater capacity for growth.

 

[RegentMan]

From the R & T Government Thread:

I don't see the need for Shakespeare's Theater. It's culture of 8cpt is impressive, but in the long run, it'll be our libraries and temples that will decide our fate. Plus, if we want a size twelve city, we should just research sanitation so that we can get more than one.

There is no point in diverting our research to grab these two unnecessary techs. There are more important industrial ages techs to get. Trading a tech to our rivals will speed up their acquisition of other valuable techs and will put them in a position to take ToE and Hoover Dam from us. All for Shakespeare?

 

[classical_hero]

We can always prebuild for those techs. Don't forget that they will still be three techs from getting into the industrial age. It is possible for us to prebuild both of those wondeful wonders that you mentioned. I feel that we can get all three of the Wonders if we plan right.

 

[RegentMan]

They will be three techs away, but they will be able to research all different ones, then trade amongst themselves. Bam! Industrial AI. Not a sight that I want to see just yet. Building this wonder simply isn't worth it. Is the civilization who owns free artistry currently building it? If so, what are the odds that we can get it in time? Slim to nil at best.

 

[classical_hero]

To slow down the tech race, we could always get the two countries into war with each other. We have been masters at this, in this game, so why can't we do that again? We can also start prebuild discusions about aquiring those two wonders. We will need contingency plans so we do not lose the two most important wonders, being ToE and US. I think we should try and get US before getting HD.

 

[RegentMan]

There's really no point for Universal Suffrage. After this, we'll be going to war no more, unless delcared upon. Being on the receiving end of the declaration gives us war happiness and lowers our war wariness. ToE and Hoover only please!

 

[classical_hero]

I want the people to decide. It really should not be just up to us two. Obviously we cannot decide on a course of action. At least we are brng some discussion into this game.

 

[zyxy]

As far as I' concerned, the remaining wonders are for flavor only, and I would not go out of my way to get them. In another thread Furiey has made a good comment on the enormous expense of wonders compared to their culture rating. Efficient play means no wonder construction, and no trading for useless optional techs.

If we want to build a wonder just for fun, then which one? Shakespeare's might be a good candidate, because it acts differently in C3C than it did in vanilla/ptw. I've built the others so often, they don't add much flavor for me.

Of course some AI may be too far ahead of us.

 

[Furiey]

Now the Wonder that is useful for culture is the one that gives a free research lab in every city, but I hope we'll be finished by then. TOE and HD will allow us to boost our core production, increasing our ability to produce mobile shields to aid culture production in corrupt towns (disbands), but we also need factories to do that otherwise having a Hydro Plant has no effect. US will be too late - our wars will be over and done with by then. Don't waste time and resources getting optional techs and wonders we don't need - we need the cash and the shields for culture (temples/Libraries) in our corrupt towns.

 

[Bertie]

Our strategy has been to expand and conquer up to the domination limit, then build a boatload of cities and stuff them full of culture. At a minimum, each city needs a library and a temple; more productive cities can build universities, though technically this is probably a waste of shields. This assumes we want to play an efficient game, which is a fairly quick game. Under this scenario extra techs and most wonders aren't necessary; in fact they are counterproductive.

Now, if we decide we want to play a more leisurely game, perhaps one that concludes about the same time that Civ IV becomes available, researching every optional tech and trying to accumulate as many wonders as possible has more appeal. This is a legitimate question and one that probably deserves a thread of its own: how shall we go about bring this game to a conclusion?

I'd prefer seeing the game end sooner rather than drag on after Labor Day. This means cash rushing culture, and having productive towns build units to disband in corrupt towns. I guess we could probably squeeze in the odd vanity build from time to time (a wonder that is pretty to look at but whose cost exceeds its cultural benefit) but I don't encourage it.

For these reasons I'm against picking up any optional techs and prefer we beeline towards a cultural end, not wander towards a more eclectic end.

 

[RegentMan]

We could always pump out more cavalry and end the game by July...

 

[DaveShack]

Let's not lose sight of the DemoGame part. These discussions are useful because they generate "out of game" culture. We're acting rushed like we want to finish as quickly as possible and squeeze in one more game before Civ4 comes out, and it's showing in our attitude towards the fun aspects of a Democracy Game.

If we do hang around for DGVII, we need to strongly consider playing nice and slow, for fun, with lots of culture based on the historical aspect of the civ we're playing.

 

[greekguy]

From the R & T Government Thread:



There is no point in diverting our research to grab these two unnecessary techs. There are more important industrial ages techs to get. Trading a tech to our rivals will speed up their acquisition of other valuable techs and will put them in a position to take ToE and Hoover Dam from us. All for Shakespeare?

i completely agree with this quote. this basically sums up my stance on Shakespeare's Theater. Don't Build IT.

 

[Double Stack]

I think we should get Shakespeare Theater but without researching for it and trading techs that does not help the AI to get to ToE/Hoover's Dam. We don't have to hurry to get it but we should get it for the cultral benefit.