The G8 Summit

Rambuchan

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There are many things I wish to talk about here, it may be wise that some gets split off into different threads. I've just watched the latest news regarding the G8 summit and this is what struck me (and was reported on heavily).

1) It's a great big mess already.

Anarchists / Anti-Globalisation groups have been trashing Scotland's shops and cars, assaulting the police, who have been arresting and assaulting back, closing down motorways, rail lines and preventing people with a legitimate reason to be there from even getting to the summit.

Press conferences, concerts, meetings and briefings have been cancelled, because roads such as the A9 highway have been closed down by running battles between riot police and hooded activists.
"We are here to stop the G8," said Sophie Reynolds, 39, an environmentalist from London, as she dragged branches across the northbound carriageway of the main A9 highway.

"Putting profit over people is destroying our planet." ABC News Source
Fair enough. But how are these actions helping?

I mean WTH are these anarchists trying to do? This is the first summit in which leaders have been convinced of the developing world's arguments and are willing to implement some change and it's been sabotaged.

2) Police have cancelled the main protest march.

In response to the violence what have the police done? They have cancelled the main protest. That's right. There will be NO peaceful protest at the G8 summit, according to a police briefing about 30 mins ago. Their reasoning is on grounds of public safety. Duh!!!!! You've got loads of protestors there who are not allowed to protest officially? That's safer?!! What are they going to do? Just go home? I don't think so.

Another reason they give is that the above mentioned sabotage has prevented many people from getting to the relevant parts of Scotland. There's a very real chance Geldof and Bono will fly into a half filled stadium to perform their awareness raising concerts to not very many people (cos the audience didn't fly in by helicopter). Well there will still be a great presence there and they have a right to protest.

Like I say, it's all a mess already. The public are not being allowed to take part in the discussion, despite the fact Tony Blair effectively invited them to come and protest as part of his plan to pressure the other leaders.

3) Trade decision has been put off till the autumn.

That's right. There will be NO decision on trade relations at this summit. Gordon Brown has urged us not to get our hopes up. So this summit will be much the same as all the others in this regard. What's the point in the debt cancellation and increased aid if the foundations of developing economies remain built on sinking sand?
 
No trade decison thats just as stupid as giving aid is. God when wil these people learn.
Canceling protests is a bit stupid they'll do it anyway just more voiently.
 
Yep, our good old hippy/student protestors tried to distrupt the thing, but failed miserably. I dont even know what they are protesting exactly, but they are all protesting something.
 
Anti-G8 march decision reversed

Police try to remove protesters from the M9 at Stirling
Police have reversed the decision to ban a march near the G8 summit venue at Gleneagles where world leaders have begun to gather.
Senior officers had expressed fears about more violence after trouble broke out in central Scotland overnight.

They have now agreed to let protesters on buses proceed to Auchterarder, where demonstrators are now gathering.

About 60 people were arrested in and around Stirling after cars and property were damaged and roads blocked.

Protesters were due to march through Auchterarder to within 500m of the steel fence which rings the five-star Gleneagles hotel where the summit takes place between Wednesday and Friday.

Many people on buses from across Scotland were heading for the village when the police said the march should not go ahead. The decision was reversed after a meeting with the organisers, G8 Alternatives.




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It was scheduled to set off at 1300 BST but has been delayed to allow the buses to arrive in Auchterarder.

The M9, the main route from Edinburgh to Gleneagles, remains blocked at Stirling.

Protests are continuing around Stirling and in other parts of Perthshire as activists attempt to carry out their objective of closing roads and rail links serving the summit venue.

You really have to wonder what the protesters are thinking when they cause mindless destruction. Do they want to block any discussion from occuring so no decision is ever made?
 
Dell19 said:
You really have to wonder what the protesters are thinking when they cause mindless destruction. Do they want to block any discussion from occuring so no decision is ever made?
Those who do that are usually a minority who don't care much for the issues but just want to destroy things. They are rather apolitical, except for hating everything in society.
 
Hitro said:
Those who do that are usually a minority who don't care much for the issues but just want to destroy things. They are rather apolitical, except for hating everything in society.

Could they then be treated like football hooligans and banned from travelling during the weeks around a summit?
 
Dell19 said:
Could they then be treated like football hooligans and banned from travelling during the weeks around a summit?
In my view that would be a violation of basic rights. But then again I also think so in case of the hooligans.
 
Hitro said:
In my view that would be a violation of basic rights. But then again I also think so in case of the hooligans.
Football hooligans can get abnend from flying prior to big internatinal matches, but they cannot be banned from traveling, and you dont need a plane to get to scotland if you already live in the UK. :)
So the best the police can do is arrest the trouble makers, beat them when no-one is watching, then toss into the cells for a few days.
 
Great. Police cancelling the legal, peaceful protest is blatently so they can hold their hands up afterwards and say "But we had to be heavy-handed! They were illegally demonstrating!"

It is a well known way to come out smelling of roses when you know what you are saying will not change what happens. Removing the legal endorsement to protest is a pre-cursor to extreme police measures, including detaining people under the new anti-terrorism act (do you guys all remember how Tony Blair refused to rule out using these anti-terrorist laws against protestors???

Mark my words, the police are gearing up for some serious violence.

As to the protestors - those who are using non-violent direct action fully have my support, but those who participate in violence against others or criminal damage to property do not.

By far the vast majority of protesters feel the same way. Even at Newbury the number of "extremists" was very small and totally blown out of proportion by the media to label ALL protesters as "violent".

Watch this space. Many peaceful protesters will be arrested, beaten up by police, detained using the new anti-terror laws, and the media will blame ALL OF IT on the protestors, and no-one will care we are an authoritarian state who has removed the most basic civil rights and in addition the right of protest from it's citizens.
 
anarres said:
Watch this space. Many peaceful protesters will be arrested, beaten up by police, detained using the new anti-terror laws, and the media will blame ALL OF IT on the protestors, and no-one will care we are an authoritarian state who has removed the most basic civil rights and in addition the right of protest from it's citizens.
Why do you hate Blair's freedom?
 
His freedom to remove our freedoms? :D

Yeah, make me world leader and I'll stop complaining about the lack of freedom. :)
 
Rambuchan said:
2) Police have cancelled the main protest march.

In response to the violence what have the police done? They have cancelled the main protest. That's right. There will be NO peaceful protest at the G8 summit, according to a police briefing about 30 mins ago. Their reasoning is on grounds of public safety. Duh!!!!!
Ram, Im not sure what youre angry at the police about. As you yourself just said:
Anarchists / Anti-Globalisation groups have been trashing Scotland's shops and cars, assaulting the police, who have been arresting and assaulting back, closing down motorways, rail lines and preventing people with a legitimate reason to be there from even getting to the summit.

Press conferences, concerts, meetings and briefings have been cancelled, because roads such as the A9 highway have been closed down by running battles between riot police and hooded activists.
If you were a police official charged with maintaining public order and safety, what would you do if faced with a situation like this?
 
Well it seems the police were actually just being ******** when they cancelled it, since they have now changed their minds!!!

Note that what I said earlier is still true - there is only 1 logical reason to cancel the event when it physically can't be stopped, and that is to legitimise the violence.

I can only hope it was extreme ignorance that made them cancel it without thought to the many thousands of people who would be there anyway, but it's just as likely the police were told by Tony to STFU and get on with it (after all, Tony wants the protesters there).
 
Bozo Erectus said:
If you were a police official charged with maintaining public order and safety, what would you do if faced with a situation like this?
Wait.....


....are you seriously contesting that cancelling this march, for which thousands of people are already en-route to or arrived, would actually have stopped it going ahead?

Do you really believe that cancelling an event (on the day itself!) that can't be stopped would increase public safety???

Edit:
And maybe a better question. Do you think the violent protesters are representative of the other marchers? Do you think it's a sizable minority?
 
We'll soon see how wise a decision it was to overrule the police.
 
i hope the police beat those protesters good
 
I hope you get beaten yourself emu, is that a fair statement?

Edit: The answer is no, it is disgusting and immoral. Just as you are for your post. I really hope no-one needed to read this edit to work that one out...
 
classical_hero said:
What "peaceful" protest?
Well, peaceful protests are held all the time in the UK. The protest march has not yet started.

What exactly is your question?
 
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