amateurgamer88
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Original Proposal Here.
First, I want to thank @axatin for the hard work of showing all the values and making the proposals. My counterproposals to spy proposals are more for getting conversation going and just sharing what I like to see for espionage.
Things to keep from Original Proposal:
The (mission-specific) base mission durations are directly modified by game speed using the usual duration modifiers (67/100/150/300 for quick/standard/epic/marathon). For example, a siphon mission will then have a base duration of 20/30/45/90 Turns. This will make espionage much more homogeneous across game speeds.
New Proposal Components:
For example, let's say we use a standard pace siphon mission.
Rationale:
First, I want to thank @axatin for the hard work of showing all the values and making the proposals. My counterproposals to spy proposals are more for getting conversation going and just sharing what I like to see for espionage.
Things to keep from Original Proposal:
The (mission-specific) base mission durations are directly modified by game speed using the usual duration modifiers (67/100/150/300 for quick/standard/epic/marathon). For example, a siphon mission will then have a base duration of 20/30/45/90 Turns. This will make espionage much more homogeneous across game speeds.
New Proposal Components:
- The base duration, once modified by game speed, will be the Standard duration.
- Mission duration can be shortened by Spy Power. Spy Power is affected by the rank of the spy and UA. Rank 1 gives nothing. Rank 2 gives -10% of the Standard duration while Rank 3 gives -25% of the Standard duration. England gets an additional -10% of the Standard duration.
- Buildings increase the Standard duration for Foreign Spies.
- Policies and Tenets can increase/decrease the Standard duration for Foreign/Friendly Spies.
- Duration is capped at +/-33% of the Standard duration.
Spoiler Details of (3) and (4) :
For example, let's say we use a standard pace siphon mission.
- Standard duration: 30 turns.
- Level 1/2/3 Spies take 30/27/22 turns respectively.
- Level 1/2/3 English Spies take 24/20/20 turns respectively.
- Level 1/2/3 Spies take 32/29/24 turns respectively if Constabulary and Police Station are in the City.
- Level 1/2/3 English Spies take 26/21/21 turns respectively if Constabulary and Police Station are in the City.
- Level 1/2/3 Spies take 35/32/27 turns respectively if Constabulary and Police Station are in the City while both Empiricism and Double Agents are adopted by City owner.
- Level 1/2/3 English Spies take 29/24/24 turns respectively if Constabulary and Police Station are in the City while both Empiricism and Double Agents are adopted by City owner.
Rationale:
- The original proposal had far too many variables. It's a lot of numbers to understand. I personally prefer something that's much simpler. We know the impact of spies ranks, buildings and policies. Tweaking the numbers is also much simpler.
- Less variability. The idea is that you won't have situations where Renaissance Era might see much shorter durations and Modern Era durations being double if not longer. Makes spy missions more consistent and easier to balance if we can say that, on average, the mission takes X turns with Y yields. Is X*Y yields reasonable?
- Allows Security Level and Spy Resistance to be variables for other aspects of espionage (to be discussed in another counterproposal). Various aspects of espionage can be more modular.
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