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[Henri Christophe]

They didn't have these things until introduced to them by Europeans/US-ians and becoming part of our civilization.

part of your civilization?
Some native americans could be conquered by white man, and they could still living in the invaders lands, but it will be forever it's own civilization.

The Onondaga are a tribe, not a state or a city.

Onondaga was a tribe, was a state and also a city.
Hier the Wikipédia page of this city: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onondaga,_New_York

(1) A constitution is not the same thing as a code of laws.

(2) The Iroquois "Constitution" was more of a story than a set of rules for how their government was supposed to work; the rules that did exist mostly dictated rituals and ceremonies rather than legislative procedures.

This video explain well how the Iroquois councills works

And what the difference between "legislative procedures" to "rituals and ceremonies"?
Even today, in the western world, the judiciary is full of rituals and ceremonies in it's approach.
And do you believe the Washigton history is more likely then Hiawatha history just because it's write down?

And in those <300 years, we led the Industrial Revolution, fought the first-ever naval battle between two metal warships, split the atom, landed on the moon, developed entirely new communication media including film and the Internet (though not the Web, which was invented by a British guy working in Switzerland), and started a political revolution that spread to almost every country on Earth.

First, we are living 5000 years of a lot of technologicals revolutions, what you said about US is just a drop in a ocean of another technological revolution.
Who make a remarkble place in humankind civilization is China, who had philosophers before the Greeks and now are become a more rich country then US. And also is a Socialistic country who is way better then US model of governement.

Actually, the Latin alphabet is derived from Greek, which is derived from Phoenician.

The Sumerians used cuneiform, which is no longer used.

And Phonencians was inspired by Sumerians.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

That's not 100% accurate, Alexander's Hetaroi - the southeast most province of the Aztec empire, Xoconochco/Soconusco, was in marginal Mayan territorry.

Well, I guess I learned something new.

Onondaga was a tribe, was a state and also a city.
Hier the Wikipédia page of this city: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onondaga,_New_York

That town is different than the settlement that the Iroquois lived in. The Iroquois village of Onondaga was destroyed in the American Revolution, but you are right that a settlement called Onondaga existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onondaga_(village)

And also is a Socialistic country who is way better then US model of governement.

Well, that is definitely debatable.

And Phonencians was inspired by Sumerians.

Not necessarily. Phoenicians had the first alphabet as in a writing form with letters. Sumerians had cuneiform where writing was depicted with symbols, so it's more similar to Egyptian hieroglyphics.

 

[Lexicus]

IIRC the Phoenician alphabet was thought to be inspired by the proto-Sinaitic script which in turn may have been derived from Egyptian hieroglyphics.

 

[Joij21]

Nobody is disputing any of that. Work on your reading comprehension.

Then why do you proclaim the Sumerians should not be added?

The Celts and Native American tribes didn't.

The Battle of Alesia? Battle of Little Bighorn?

Sumerians are debatable; we know they were the first civ to have certain technologies but we don't know if those techs spread elsewhere from Sumer or were invented independently in several places around the world.

But they are nevertheless the first civilization, that alone does not count as historically significant to you?

What about the fact that they wrote the Epic of Gilgamesh, arguably the tale which inspired the Garden of Eden tale in Genesis of the Bible?

 

[Henri Christophe]

IIRC the Phoenician alphabet was thought to be inspired by the proto-Sinaitic script which in turn may have been derived from Egyptian hieroglyphics.

So Phoenician is derived from ancient egypt, not sumer.
That's match what I read once there was just 4 write languages who born without outside influence:, it is: egypt, sumerian, chinese and olmec.

 

[Patine]

So Phoenician is derived from ancient egypt, not sumer.

And not even directly.

 

[Patine]

That's match what I read once there was just 4 write languages who born without outside influence:, it is: egypt, sumerian, chinese and olmec.

Well, there are ones that fell by the wayside as source scripts, like the Harappian script and Rongo Rongo. And, in modern usage, everything derived from Olmec, too, fell by the wayside.

 

[Kyriakos]

Linear (not alphabet-using) scripts existed in both the Minoan and Mycenaean realms. Linear A and B, respectively.

Linear B - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Birdjaguar]

Making new languages after seeing existing ones work is a minor accomplishment hardly comparable to creating one without an existing model. The Sumerians "invented" early cuneiform about 3200 BCE after a very long process of using clay tokens and then impressed symbols to manage trade accounts. The turning point came when they separated a single symbol for "two bags of grain" into two parts: a number and a name. As soon as numbers were separated from the items, the names of what they counted, words were freed to have other uses. The origins of written language in the Middle East were rooted in accounting.

It took over a thousand years for the Minoans to come up with Linear A. By that time Cuneiform was very well developed. A thousand years is a pretty long time.

Linear A

is a writing system that was used by the Minoans of Crete from 1800 to 1450 BC to write the hypothesized Minoan language or languages. Linear A was the primary script used in palace and religious writings of the Minoan civilization. It was succeeded by Linear B, which was used by the Mycenaeans to write an early form of Greek. It was discovered by archaeologist Sir Arthur Evans. No texts in Linear A have yet been deciphered.