DGIII discussion: Restructuring the Executive Departments

[Fier Canadien]

If the so-called senate is as effective as the canadian one, he won't have that much job to do.

 

[Shaitan]

The Vice President can already be given whatever powers the President wishes. No need to change anything for that to happen.

 

[disorganizer]

another idea:
what about a try in a true representative game?

1) the parliament is the executive of our nation
2) the parliament consists of 3 times the number of provinces representatives of the provinces.
3) there must be at least 7 members of the parliament at any time
4) the president of the nation is elected by a parlamental ballot
5) the president chooses his cabinet consisting of the departmental leaders
6) the parliament has to appoove the presidential cabinet by single majority


or maybe a party-game... or maybe another idea:
1) a party has to name ONE presidential candidate
2) a party has to name the cabinet of leaders each with his defined proposed position
3) the elections are held in one poll, the winning party sets the president+his cabinet

the same would also go without parties of course, but would have the same effect


or maybe a representative party system?
1) the parliament is defined as 3*the number of provinces, at least 7, members
2) the election will give the percentages of representatives each party gets into parliament
3) 7 days before the election, each party must post a "priority list" of representatives
4) the representatives are taken from that list according to their priority
5) the president is elected via a parliamental bulletin vote with single majority
6) the president then defines his cabinet of leaders out of the members of parliament
7) the president must have his cabinet approoved by the parliament and senate

 

[Octavian X]

Sounds kinda complicated, but all those systems, I think, could work (and would be extremly interesting)

 

[disorganizer]

here is a refined idea for a party system with example:
it seems to give the independant candidates good chances to go to parliament

1) the parliament will consist of 1/3 of the active citizenry
2) each official party has to define a list of "representatives" in the order of priority before the election starts
3) the regular elections will define the values used to "split" the parliament between the candidates
4) independant candidates will receive their seat if they would get at least one full seat in the parliament according to the percentage in the elections
5) the remaining seats are distributed among the official parties according to their relative percentages against each other. only full seats count
6) if any seats are left empty, independant candidates are filling them up according to their percentages
example:

active citizenry: 30 => parliament size:10
party1's List: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I
party2's List: J,K,L,M,N,O,P
independant candidates: X,Y,Z

so the election would be to choose between: party1, party2, X, Y, Z

result:
party1: 50%
party2: 25%
X: 5%
Y: 8%
Z: 12%

so now the independant candidates:
X would get 5% of 10=0.5 seats=> not directly in parliament
Y would get 8% of 10=0.8 seats=> not directly in parliament
Z would get 12%of 10=1.2 seats=> DIRECTLY IN PARLIAMENT!
so there would be 9 seats left
now to the parties:
relative percentages:
party1: 66%
party2: 33%
which means:
party1=66%of9 = 5.94 = 5 seats
party2=33%of9 = 2.97 = 2 seats
this would mean that the citizens A,B,C,D,E, J,K would be in parliament
which would leave 2 seats open, so:
the independant candidates X and Y also go into parliament INDIRECTLY.

the parliament would be:
A,B,C,D,E,J,K,X,Y,Z

 

[disorganizer]

note: even if the calculation sounds complicated if done manually, it would be easy to do a excel for it!

* the parliament would elect the president and he would announce his cabinet (out of members of parliament).
* the cabinet would have to be approoved by the parliament.

* the parliament would decide anything in ballots based on public opinion. all normal running would be decided by them.

 

[Octavian X]

This would be a great new approach to running the government, rather than sticking with our old, boring systems (new constitution or not).

 

[Bootstoots]

That's a good idea, although a far-fetched one. How are we going to get the support we need to do this, and how would we get a new constitution written up to allow this? Maybe we could start a new demogame, independent from the main one.

 

[disorganizer]

im completely against having yet another demogame. because that would cripple participation even more.
we need to do it here or never so we propably first need someone (shaitan?) to do a nice writing around it and then post a poll... and we need to be fast with it of course.
but lets first see how the reactions in here are before we go further...

 

[Shaitan]

Sorry, I am not going to support any system based on parties. They are truly divisive and anti-productive. If the name "democracy" is the problem, just call it the game of "cooperation". As has been pointed out many times before even our very liberal Constitution and miniscule population base does not form an actual Democracy. What it does form is a cooperative representative government with fantastic opportunity for everybody to participate. I'm quite happy with our game concept. Judging by the number of other forums that have patterened themselves after us we're doing things right with our democratic intent.

 

[Noldodan]

Originally posted by Shaitan
Sorry, I am not going to support any system based on parties. They are truly divisive and anti-productive. If the name "democracy" is the problem, just call it the game of "cooperation". As has been pointed out many times before even our very liberal Constitution and miniscule population base does not form an actual Democracy. What it does form is a cooperative representative government with fantastic opportunity for everybody to participate. I'm quite happy with our game concept. Judging by the number of other forums that have patterened themselves after us we're doing things right with our democratic intent.

I definetly find myself agreeing with Shaitan on this one. If our system is good enough for everyone else to copy, then it should darn well be good enough for us.