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Cus there aren't any other forums where I really see this being discussed much in terms of just wow this is cool, outside of like pc builds on tom's hardware, I thought maybe some forum goers here would be interested.
Intel just released coffee lake as a response to ryzen processors. Though they claim this release was always scheduled to go down like this, the timing and manner of it seems very suspicious.
In case you haven't checked out cpu specs in a while, AMD released their new zen architecture last feburary to compete with modern intel cpus. AMD had been way behind in performance for a while, even with more cores on their cpus they couldn't compete with i7s. Well the new ryzen's could. Even though their single core performance was still on average about 10% less than intels, you could get an 8 core processor for about half the cost of intel's 6 core ones, and you could get 6 core ones on equal footing with some of intels quad core offerings. Like for example the ryzen 1600x is a 6 core, 3.2 ghz processor with a list price around $215, while the intel i5-7500 is 3.4 ghz quad core around $205. So for ten bucks more you get almost equal single core performance but a lot better workstation performance and it's a bit more future proof.
Still for me who only uses my home desktop pc for gaming I was sorely disappointed by ryzen. What I was hoping was there would be some gaming appropriate cpu that was markedly less expensive than intel's i5 line. The i5 7400 is around $180. Yes ryzen came out with a $165 1400 model but it was slower than the 7400 and only $15 cheaper. So it didn't move me that much.
Well fast forward to coffee lake. Cpus are so fast now that very few applications actually push their limits. Because of that, even though intels were still a bit better for gaming everyone went so what? and started touting 6 and 8 core top end ryzen processors as the ones to buy, cus your gaming was drastically more impacted by your gpu than your cpu. And they are right in this assessment. So what did intel do? They basically just up'd the core count on their kaby lake processors and released them as coffee lake. Now the i5's are 6 core by default, the i7's are 6 core, 12 threads and the i3's are quad core. The last one is the most significant to me. Because when intel did this core bump they didn't change their pricing tiers!
Thus an i3-8100 is msrp $120. It's a 3.6 ghz quad core pc with nearly identical specs to an old i5-7500. Only it's around $80 less! Perfect for gaming and cheap!
I'm just really shocked by it all. I guess that's what competition does, drives your prices down and offerings up.
I plan on upgrading my cpu pretty soon, I'm just kind of waiting for ram prices to drop. I think there's a nand memory shortgage right now affecting ram and ssd prices. But even if I did it now I could upgrade my cpu, mobo and memory for around $300 when just a couple months ago I was looking at $400-500 upgrades for the same performance.
On a side note gpus are now starting to outpace gaming as well at 1080p resolution, by far the most common one. I play on 1080p monitor at 60hz. To max this out all I need is like an rx 560 or 1050ti, both around $150 cards. It's quite amazing to me actually, just 4-5 years ago cards that could max out 4-5 year old games at that resolution were around $250.
Intel just released coffee lake as a response to ryzen processors. Though they claim this release was always scheduled to go down like this, the timing and manner of it seems very suspicious.
In case you haven't checked out cpu specs in a while, AMD released their new zen architecture last feburary to compete with modern intel cpus. AMD had been way behind in performance for a while, even with more cores on their cpus they couldn't compete with i7s. Well the new ryzen's could. Even though their single core performance was still on average about 10% less than intels, you could get an 8 core processor for about half the cost of intel's 6 core ones, and you could get 6 core ones on equal footing with some of intels quad core offerings. Like for example the ryzen 1600x is a 6 core, 3.2 ghz processor with a list price around $215, while the intel i5-7500 is 3.4 ghz quad core around $205. So for ten bucks more you get almost equal single core performance but a lot better workstation performance and it's a bit more future proof.
Still for me who only uses my home desktop pc for gaming I was sorely disappointed by ryzen. What I was hoping was there would be some gaming appropriate cpu that was markedly less expensive than intel's i5 line. The i5 7400 is around $180. Yes ryzen came out with a $165 1400 model but it was slower than the 7400 and only $15 cheaper. So it didn't move me that much.
Well fast forward to coffee lake. Cpus are so fast now that very few applications actually push their limits. Because of that, even though intels were still a bit better for gaming everyone went so what? and started touting 6 and 8 core top end ryzen processors as the ones to buy, cus your gaming was drastically more impacted by your gpu than your cpu. And they are right in this assessment. So what did intel do? They basically just up'd the core count on their kaby lake processors and released them as coffee lake. Now the i5's are 6 core by default, the i7's are 6 core, 12 threads and the i3's are quad core. The last one is the most significant to me. Because when intel did this core bump they didn't change their pricing tiers!
Thus an i3-8100 is msrp $120. It's a 3.6 ghz quad core pc with nearly identical specs to an old i5-7500. Only it's around $80 less! Perfect for gaming and cheap!
I'm just really shocked by it all. I guess that's what competition does, drives your prices down and offerings up.
I plan on upgrading my cpu pretty soon, I'm just kind of waiting for ram prices to drop. I think there's a nand memory shortgage right now affecting ram and ssd prices. But even if I did it now I could upgrade my cpu, mobo and memory for around $300 when just a couple months ago I was looking at $400-500 upgrades for the same performance.
On a side note gpus are now starting to outpace gaming as well at 1080p resolution, by far the most common one. I play on 1080p monitor at 60hz. To max this out all I need is like an rx 560 or 1050ti, both around $150 cards. It's quite amazing to me actually, just 4-5 years ago cards that could max out 4-5 year old games at that resolution were around $250.
