Necamijat
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Well, hello there.
My name is right there on the left <- and I've been following this forum loosely for years.
Now that the world is in lockdown, I've decided to actually bring something to the table and make a new thread. The cleverly uninspired person that I am, I decided to just do a Let's Play, because why would I want to join in on a meaningful conversation when I can make you witness the sheer stupidity of my plays, all through the power of screenshots and imgur server loads.
Therefore, I present to the: The Maya, we don't know what we're doing.
Seriously, I've played the game for about 60 turns for now. My memory and dedication is just that bad that I'm deciding to post this now because I'll either forget or give up on it later.
To begin with, we start with the essentials: setup.
I'm using the standard automatically installed 4-17-2 version with EUI. And I'm using the latest version (that I found) of communitu79 map, with its own resource settings:
Events are on, and I disabled Time Victory because, honestly, I don't even know what that is anymore. What is time in this quarantine? Here's a spoiler to how my predictable setup looked like:
Yes, I randomed. Sue me. I also use Prince. I am a noob. If you want to watch people beat Deities, look away. If you want to see someone tackle the most important questions in life - rush Pyramids or rush Henge - continue reading on.
Our starting position sees us positioned between a rock and a hard place, and by hard place I mean that swath of ocean that is devoid of luxuries. By rock I mean that mountain, obviously. Sometimes a rock is literally a rock.
I did the pro gamer move, and settled in place. I've got sweets and hard candy, what more could I ask for? Seriously, though, there are 4 visible Kuna spots within 2 tiles there, which is good enough to start with.
The warrior is going north, the pathfinder south-southwest, no surprises there.
You know when I said the important questions in life? That's right, folks, I'm rushing Henge. Into Constuction, because Marble is too good to pass, and Calendaring takes too much time to finish. Who needs Archers anyway?
Serious convo time: I'm playing on Prince, my start has a mix of food and production, and I'm playing a Religious civ. At least I'll deny some schmuck AI the joy of seeing stones loosely stacked in a formation. Also, there's not much else to go for, both my luxes are dependent on the wheel, so let's just go with that.
On turn 3, it looked like luck smiled upon the noobs, as I got a goody hut with 140 gold in it. I used that money to rush monument and shrine (Serious note time, I don't remember if your faith gets reset to 0 when you pantheon, but I completely forgot that snippet and realised that the shrine cooked for 17ish turns for no reason). Oh well, lessons learnt.
In some other times, I'd buy a worker with that, but we're not improving anything until at least Husbandry if we spot an ungulate in the jungle, and by my calculations (which I clearly did, because trust me), I'd have money by that time.
Turn 8 is when we have our First Contact, if you disregard the Angry Hostile City State in the corner:
Immediately followed by Second Contact on the beginning of next turn:
Looks like it's a loss by losing to armies, folks. Close the tab and carry on.
But that's enough quitter talk, we do indeed have strong early warmongers in our possible vicinity. It's a good thing we are in rough and mountainous terrain to at least give us some breathing room in the first few turns.
If you're wondering why the Warrior is west, it's because I stumbled on more rough terrain north (and coast) and decided to loop there with the scout when he's done with southside.
Now this is just something I like to see, a tech popping when I finish a building. We're working Marble probably a bit erroneously here, as 3 food would've got us faster to 4th pop, but I believe there's still minor carryover and decided that literally every hammer will count for da Henge.
The known world, circa 3280BC. Don't get used to those numbers, because Maya won't use it for long. You can spot the Angry Hostile City State (Sofia), Uluru, and there's the Zulu in the bottom left corner (by the Pearls). I'm guessing that we're not gonna expand much without wars.
My Pathfinder got an Upgrade Hut, which I firmly believe is great because I can now launch the Scout into a warrior camp and actually hope to win that fight. Not that I'll use him for that, as there's no camps around me, and the one in the picture can be Shaka's problem. He's also being outfitted to walk fast in forests because just look at all those greens.
I've decided to go with Progress here. I still call it Liberty at times. I could've went for Tradition, seeing as we probably won't be expanding much. We could've also went for Authority, because it could help in the inevitable war. I'm hoping for a peaceful start so I can get improvements up and running quickly. In Progress, I'll go for the left side first because those help with buildings and the +1 movement to workers will help them move around the lush.
As promised, we're going Calendar next. Remember when cutting jungle was in some Casting tech? That was a wild time.
Our Scout finds Gibraltar, someone finished Pyramids at turn 34, and we can see the Zulu have indeed decided to move towards us instead of all this open space, because who needs social distancing in a game of Civilization.
At this point in making of this thread, I realised I forgot about the Henge (I swear I saved that screenshot, but apparently it was a lie). Yes, we finished Henge, we found stone next to the Capital, and I took the Pantheon with the Forest/Jungle bonuses (the name eludes me). It was between that and the Plantations, and I'm going to be working Jungles with my Kunas so I went with that route.
I was right, in that I was able to buy a Worker, train a second one, and am currently finishing on the third before starting the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus. As it starts, I'll connect both Stone and Marble (you can see the workers improving them), catapulting me with their wonder production bonuses. Maybe I should've taken that Pantheon.
With Calendar and Construction done, I'm rushing Maths. We gonna be smart.
But really, I feel this is what you should always do, as you can eek out early GPs with your trait.
It's turn 50, and Askia decided he wants a piece of my wonderwhoring cake as he makes a DoW. I have no clue how he'll get to me in time, as there's an entire mountain range separating us and I'm 9 turns away from Maths, and Atlatlists with that. It's really cool that the entire civ is online with one relatively early tech. I guess this is because I'm on Prince, and the AI is underestimating the defensive capabilities of 1 Warrior.
Mausoleum done on turn 54. Not sure if this is good timing (probably isn't), but the free stone works means it's not a complete waste of hammers as I have two tiles that benefit, and the uptick in hammers and science for the next 10 turns means I'm just the more ready to take on the Songhai.
We learn Maths at turn 56, year 3.8.12.1.12. The numbers means we're soon going to have our free GP, possibly even next turn, which means that a turn later we'd have lost on a great part of our trait. The capital is finishing up on that Herbalist before moving to supply some defences in terms of newly unlocked Atlatlists.
I was wrong about the numbers, and three turns later we get an event. The choice is either WLTKD, 25 culture and faith, or 2 Culture for the next 40 turns. I decided on the We Love the Kind Day (it's easier to type that than remember the acronym for some reason). My reasoning is that 10% science and production in the capital outweigh the loss of culture, and 50 gold can be put to use to maybe get a warrior or something.
The last image for this part, as we overview the capital. I'm undecided on the Roman Forum. If I Engineer rush it, I can get a military CS on my side, which isn't nothing, or I can wait a few turns to get the policy requirements for The Hanging Gardens, which is arguably a safer, more versatile and more contested choice.
I'll probably build a few Atlatls to defend myself, then get out a settler or two because I sorely need to expand before the Zulu do that for me. There's 5 workable Kunas, 2 Cocoa plantations (are you supposed to improve all of them or leave them as jungles?), and 2 heavy production tiles, so my capital should be taken care of until pop 9.
My current expansion plans:
I'm thinking that the X in the left corner is the safest choice, while the other two are more situational. The south-east is contested by the city-state, and I rate that it's better to get a forest for the Kuna than coastal access. The southwestern point could be a good choke against the Zulu, as well.
(EDIT: I realised that the eastern spots are taken by the city state proximity, so only the bananas and the coastal jungle will count for it. I think the coastal jungle might be a decent spot, if nothing but to get more Chocolate under control)
Should I put all these images in spoilers as to not bloat the post?
I'll get in the game and make a better screenshot of the south side later so I can gauge the potential expansion into there.
For now, this is it. Talk to you guys soon.[/img][/img]
My name is right there on the left <- and I've been following this forum loosely for years.
Now that the world is in lockdown, I've decided to actually bring something to the table and make a new thread. The cleverly uninspired person that I am, I decided to just do a Let's Play, because why would I want to join in on a meaningful conversation when I can make you witness the sheer stupidity of my plays, all through the power of screenshots and imgur server loads.
Therefore, I present to the: The Maya, we don't know what we're doing.
Seriously, I've played the game for about 60 turns for now. My memory and dedication is just that bad that I'm deciding to post this now because I'll either forget or give up on it later.
To begin with, we start with the essentials: setup.
I'm using the standard automatically installed 4-17-2 version with EUI. And I'm using the latest version (that I found) of communitu79 map, with its own resource settings:
Events are on, and I disabled Time Victory because, honestly, I don't even know what that is anymore. What is time in this quarantine? Here's a spoiler to how my predictable setup looked like:
Spoiler Setup :
Yes, I randomed. Sue me. I also use Prince. I am a noob. If you want to watch people beat Deities, look away. If you want to see someone tackle the most important questions in life - rush Pyramids or rush Henge - continue reading on.
Our starting position sees us positioned between a rock and a hard place, and by hard place I mean that swath of ocean that is devoid of luxuries. By rock I mean that mountain, obviously. Sometimes a rock is literally a rock.
I did the pro gamer move, and settled in place. I've got sweets and hard candy, what more could I ask for? Seriously, though, there are 4 visible Kuna spots within 2 tiles there, which is good enough to start with.
The warrior is going north, the pathfinder south-southwest, no surprises there.
You know when I said the important questions in life? That's right, folks, I'm rushing Henge. Into Constuction, because Marble is too good to pass, and Calendaring takes too much time to finish. Who needs Archers anyway?
Spoiler Tech Start :
Serious convo time: I'm playing on Prince, my start has a mix of food and production, and I'm playing a Religious civ. At least I'll deny some schmuck AI the joy of seeing stones loosely stacked in a formation. Also, there's not much else to go for, both my luxes are dependent on the wheel, so let's just go with that.
On turn 3, it looked like luck smiled upon the noobs, as I got a goody hut with 140 gold in it. I used that money to rush monument and shrine (Serious note time, I don't remember if your faith gets reset to 0 when you pantheon, but I completely forgot that snippet and realised that the shrine cooked for 17ish turns for no reason). Oh well, lessons learnt.
In some other times, I'd buy a worker with that, but we're not improving anything until at least Husbandry if we spot an ungulate in the jungle, and by my calculations (which I clearly did, because trust me), I'd have money by that time.
Turn 8 is when we have our First Contact, if you disregard the Angry Hostile City State in the corner:
Immediately followed by Second Contact on the beginning of next turn:
Looks like it's a loss by losing to armies, folks. Close the tab and carry on.
But that's enough quitter talk, we do indeed have strong early warmongers in our possible vicinity. It's a good thing we are in rough and mountainous terrain to at least give us some breathing room in the first few turns.
If you're wondering why the Warrior is west, it's because I stumbled on more rough terrain north (and coast) and decided to loop there with the scout when he's done with southside.
Now this is just something I like to see, a tech popping when I finish a building. We're working Marble probably a bit erroneously here, as 3 food would've got us faster to 4th pop, but I believe there's still minor carryover and decided that literally every hammer will count for da Henge.
The known world, circa 3280BC. Don't get used to those numbers, because Maya won't use it for long. You can spot the Angry Hostile City State (Sofia), Uluru, and there's the Zulu in the bottom left corner (by the Pearls). I'm guessing that we're not gonna expand much without wars.
My Pathfinder got an Upgrade Hut, which I firmly believe is great because I can now launch the Scout into a warrior camp and actually hope to win that fight. Not that I'll use him for that, as there's no camps around me, and the one in the picture can be Shaka's problem. He's also being outfitted to walk fast in forests because just look at all those greens.
I've decided to go with Progress here. I still call it Liberty at times. I could've went for Tradition, seeing as we probably won't be expanding much. We could've also went for Authority, because it could help in the inevitable war. I'm hoping for a peaceful start so I can get improvements up and running quickly. In Progress, I'll go for the left side first because those help with buildings and the +1 movement to workers will help them move around the lush.
As promised, we're going Calendar next. Remember when cutting jungle was in some Casting tech? That was a wild time.
Our Scout finds Gibraltar, someone finished Pyramids at turn 34, and we can see the Zulu have indeed decided to move towards us instead of all this open space, because who needs social distancing in a game of Civilization.
At this point in making of this thread, I realised I forgot about the Henge (I swear I saved that screenshot, but apparently it was a lie). Yes, we finished Henge, we found stone next to the Capital, and I took the Pantheon with the Forest/Jungle bonuses (the name eludes me). It was between that and the Plantations, and I'm going to be working Jungles with my Kunas so I went with that route.
I was right, in that I was able to buy a Worker, train a second one, and am currently finishing on the third before starting the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus. As it starts, I'll connect both Stone and Marble (you can see the workers improving them), catapulting me with their wonder production bonuses. Maybe I should've taken that Pantheon.
With Calendar and Construction done, I'm rushing Maths. We gonna be smart.
But really, I feel this is what you should always do, as you can eek out early GPs with your trait.
It's turn 50, and Askia decided he wants a piece of my wonderwhoring cake as he makes a DoW. I have no clue how he'll get to me in time, as there's an entire mountain range separating us and I'm 9 turns away from Maths, and Atlatlists with that. It's really cool that the entire civ is online with one relatively early tech. I guess this is because I'm on Prince, and the AI is underestimating the defensive capabilities of 1 Warrior.
Mausoleum done on turn 54. Not sure if this is good timing (probably isn't), but the free stone works means it's not a complete waste of hammers as I have two tiles that benefit, and the uptick in hammers and science for the next 10 turns means I'm just the more ready to take on the Songhai.
We learn Maths at turn 56, year 3.8.12.1.12. The numbers means we're soon going to have our free GP, possibly even next turn, which means that a turn later we'd have lost on a great part of our trait. The capital is finishing up on that Herbalist before moving to supply some defences in terms of newly unlocked Atlatlists.
I was wrong about the numbers, and three turns later we get an event. The choice is either WLTKD, 25 culture and faith, or 2 Culture for the next 40 turns. I decided on the We Love the Kind Day (it's easier to type that than remember the acronym for some reason). My reasoning is that 10% science and production in the capital outweigh the loss of culture, and 50 gold can be put to use to maybe get a warrior or something.
The last image for this part, as we overview the capital. I'm undecided on the Roman Forum. If I Engineer rush it, I can get a military CS on my side, which isn't nothing, or I can wait a few turns to get the policy requirements for The Hanging Gardens, which is arguably a safer, more versatile and more contested choice.
I'll probably build a few Atlatls to defend myself, then get out a settler or two because I sorely need to expand before the Zulu do that for me. There's 5 workable Kunas, 2 Cocoa plantations (are you supposed to improve all of them or leave them as jungles?), and 2 heavy production tiles, so my capital should be taken care of until pop 9.
My current expansion plans:
I'm thinking that the X in the left corner is the safest choice, while the other two are more situational. The south-east is contested by the city-state, and I rate that it's better to get a forest for the Kuna than coastal access. The southwestern point could be a good choke against the Zulu, as well.
(EDIT: I realised that the eastern spots are taken by the city state proximity, so only the bananas and the coastal jungle will count for it. I think the coastal jungle might be a decent spot, if nothing but to get more Chocolate under control)
Should I put all these images in spoilers as to not bloat the post?
I'll get in the game and make a better screenshot of the south side later so I can gauge the potential expansion into there.
For now, this is it. Talk to you guys soon.[/img][/img]
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