TSG 230 Opening Actions Thread

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This thread is used to discuss the game's opening decisions and strategies through the first 100 or so turns. Here you can post questions related to the game and share your achievements/anger/frustration/victories while you play.

- What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?
- Where did you settle and what did you build first?
- How did the terrain and map settings affect your early decisions?
- What were your initial priorities?
- What tech path did you follow and why?
- What Social Policies did you choose?
- What Wonders did you try to get and did you get them?
- Did you get a religion? What religious beliefs did you pick?
 
What a beautiful peninsula we got for ourselves! I settled 4 cities, all on the coast, and all except the capital next to a mountain/NW.
Got Oracle, then NC with 4 cities up and food ships between all of them except the southern one (which isn't reachable yet, but it has 4 Fish so should be fine too).
I was the first to religion too. Pantheon was God King, religion Tithe and Pagodas, later Religious Art (Hermitage bonus) and Itinerant (faster spread).
Tech path was Writing, lux techs and archery, Compass for lighthouses, workshops, civil service, Education.
I have a feeling that I should be preparing at least a small defensive army, and research Physics for Hwacha. Our peninsula is well protected with mountains, and I'm besties with my neighbors Theodora and Napoleon. However, a certain warmonger just came to visit with their Caravel from another continent (supposedly)...

Spoiler Turn 133 screenshot :

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Whew, the aggression index for this game is off the charts. Every AI must have rolled super high. Even Theodora is being a warmonger! I stole one of her settlers early on and she has never forgotten about it. She wouldn't make peace and then came at me with loads of Cataphracts and CBs; and those Cataphracts ain't no joke. It took me forever to fight her off, luckily Jeonju is in a pretty easily defended location. She kept wanted me to give her a city so we had to fight for a long time and I had to kill tons of her units before she finally gave me peace. And Napoleon is of course being his normal belligerent self, not to me thank goodness; I guess since he's on the other side of the continent he doesn't covet my land.

  • Ruins were Culture, Calendar, Map, Gold.
  • I was the first to discover El Dorado - and got 500 gold, I didn't know you got 500G for being the first to discover it! So I bought a settler and founded Busan next to Sri Pada.
  • T20 I stole the settler from Byzantium.
  • T33 My scout died because he got trapped by barbs at the end of the peninsula. Hate losing a scout.
  • T44 Founded the city of Jeonju south of the mountain next to more Cocoa. I debated on settling it on the Gems north of the mountain for better protection but the lure of getting two more Cocoa was too much. And I didn't realize Theodora was going to be so aggressive at this point.
  • T94 Notre Dame founded in a far away land. Uh oh, maybe I'm not doing as well as I thought - I'm only researching Theology and someone has had Physics long enough to build ND.
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  • - What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?
    • Planned on playing a science game to get to Internet to win the CV. Its going pretty well so far I think.
  • - Where did you settle and what did you build first?
    • Settled in place, even after seeing the whales off to the east where if I would have moved one tile to the east I would have gotten a 3-lux capital. But it was just too hard to move away from the hill/river next to Cocoa, Deer and Wheat. Plus, I figured I could build a city near the whales later (which I actually never did, the borders expanded to the whales anyway though). Went Scout, Scout, Shrine, Monument.
  • - How did the terrain and map settings affect your early decisions? - What Social Policies did you choose?
    • When I saw we were kind of isolated on a peninsula I figured 4-5 city standard Tradition game would be best. So went for 3-city NC and got it on T95, which is actually early for me on Deity so I figure I'm doing all right.
  • - What were your initial priorities? - What tech path did you follow and why?
    • Get 3 cities up for NC then found a 4th and go science, science, science.
  • - What Wonders did you try to get and did you get them?
    • T69 I actually got Stonehenge! That almost never happens, the AI love SH. That's the only one I've tried so far.
  • - Did you get a religion? What religious beliefs did you pick?
    • Got first pantheon - Fertility Rights. And got first Religion on T62; couldn't believe it, especially with Theodora in the game but she wasn't playing her typical self, she was on war footing. Took Tithe and Pagodas, Faster Spread and Food from Shrines and Temples to go with Fertility Rights and a science game.
This is where we stand at T104. The war with Theodora is over finally (for now at least) and I'm building my last settler to go to the NW corner of our penninsula for my last city. Science is low despite my best efforts, the long war didn't help in that regard. Now I just gotta grow, grow, grow and improve my science.
 

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Played the first 100 turns quite fast. Screenshot below is from turn 101. Enjoyed it so far, already ruined theodora by stealing her workers, killing her settler escorts with just a scout and warrior and taking her settlers as workers. I got like 4 workers just from bullying her and 2 workers from barbs that stole them from CS. I also found the pot of 500 gold early and bought a settler that settled sri pada. I think I'm doing very good so far, looking at the demographics screen.

- What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?
As proven in previous games that beelining the internet is faster CV I will be trying that.

- Where did you settle and what did you build first?
I settled in place and did scout, monument, scout, granary (because we have wheat & deer). Scouted the sri pada early so skipped shrine. 1 Archer and some turns in caravan before starting settler spam.

- How did the terrain and map settings affect your early decisions?
I only hard built 3 scouts, but sadly 2 got killed by barbs. I didn't scout my continent fully yet, I should have done a better job at that but it's difficult going with the mountains and civs and cs blocking. I'm wondering if everything is on one continent or not. Maybe to the east of France or south of China, but I have the feeling not much is there and there's a 2nd continent.

- What were your initial priorities?
Because I saw quite a few luxes early I wanted to go for liberty and started spamming settlers. Got 2 early trade routes going with france and netherlands to try to combat the negative penalties I got from spamming cities. Now building infrastructure.

- What tech path did you follow and why?
Pottery, AH (for selling horses), mining(from ruin), Masonry (to get stone circles and happiness). BW (for selling iron), sailing for 2nd trade route. Calendar for happiness. Philosopy for oracle. Engineering (3rd trade route and aquaducts after libraries). Work shops, and now teching to universities.

- What Social Policies did you choose?
Liberty + 2 in aesthetics.

- What Wonders did you try to get and did you get them?
Only oracle. I contemplated going for Chichen Itza because China was the only civ with that tech (I saw her having 4 food farms) and then bam she got it. Turns out I didn't see the building sprite going up, even though I had bought an embassy with her. Just didn't look carefully enough. Luckily I didn't waste any hammers on it yet.

- Did you get a religion? What religious beliefs did you pick?
Yea, I saved all faith for prophet, prophet, missionary. I got stone circles, pagoda's, mosques, tithe, iternant preachers. Just built some shrines. I really have to get the faith engine going, because I really need the happiness from the buildings soon. I picked stone circles because it was gonna give 6 faith instead of 4 for the natural wonders one. (I didn't want to fight the CS for the pot of gold wonder)
 

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GOTM 229 was my first in a while. In fact, it took me ages to remember my log in details.

Enjoying 230 with Korea a lot. I discovered El Dorado first and used the gold to settle SE of Sri Pada. One With Nature got me an easy shrine-less religion and the other civs have been very slow with their own religions.

3rd city went on the Gems to the south, 4th city on the Ivory in the north. Friendship with Byzantium and then France meant our peninsula was safe and I got the National College around turn 80, super early.

I don't really know the strategies for Culture on Deity so I'm just prioritising growth and science. I'll fill up Amphitheaters with Great Writings and will need a wonder for the Art. I'm most curious about Great Musicians and if it's worth getting a couple to theme Broadway (+extra Korean science), or if it's really worth delaying for more late game concert tours. Also concerned that I won't get enough policies for everything I want. All of Rationalism, 6 from Order, and then I doubt there will time to get much from Aesthetics.
 
GOTM 229 was my first in a while. In fact, it took me ages to remember my log in details.

Enjoying 230 with Korea a lot. I discovered El Dorado first and used the gold to settle SE of Sri Pada. One With Nature got me an easy shrine-less religion and the other civs have been very slow with their own religions.

3rd city went on the Gems to the south, 4th city on the Ivory in the north. Friendship with Byzantium and then France meant our peninsula was safe and I got the National College around turn 80, super early.

I don't really know the strategies for Culture on Deity so I'm just prioritising growth and science. I'll fill up Amphitheaters with Great Writings and will need a wonder for the Art. I'm most curious about Great Musicians and if it's worth getting a couple to theme Broadway (+extra Korean science), or if it's really worth delaying for more late game concert tours. Also concerned that I won't get enough policies for everything I want. All of Rationalism, 6 from Order, and then I doubt there will time to get much from Aesthetics.
Nice to see you enjoying GotM! In my opinion Broadway is a very important wonder for a Culture Victory.
 
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