TSG 233 Opening Actions Thread

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This thread is used to discuss the game's opening decisions and strategies through the first 100 or so turns. Here you can post questions related to the game and share your achievements/anger/frustration/victories while you play.

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- What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?
- Have you allied any City-States already?
- Did you capture any cities in the early game? What was your army composition?
- What religious beliefs did you pick?
- What Social Policies did you choose?
- What Wonders did you try to get and did you get them?
 
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General
I'm approaching this as a science game and what early chances for conquest there were I left to chance. And as it turned out my military got strong thanks to a lot of gifts from military civs. Both Almaty and Valetta wanted trade routes and needed us to clear some barbarian camps. In Sofia too, our influence soared. The most common gifts during the first 100 turns were chariot archers and African forest elephants (3).

Settling and early moves
I settled on the sugar, which gave a bit of cash and helped enable a settler purchase. (I hate building settlers before Collective Rule.) This settler went NW to claim luxuries before Sweden took them - incence, copper and more cotton. The third city was placed SW in the area where there is a cow and several sheep. They got their stable and eventually Oracle. I did not build Great Library, seeing the need for many other early builds. The fourth city was placed on the coast to the east. A fifth city claimed the whales, but that was very late, around the end of the scope of this opening thread.

Warfare
4-5 catapults and 2-3 CBs complemented the gifted troops. A brief war with Rome netted me 1 worker and 5 gpt. There was also an on-off war with Florence for the sake of a worker. That was not ideal because it postponed their cultural contribution. Stockholm had a great location and the obvious first target. But I should probably have been much quicker because on turn 100 it is still only a size 3 town. After razing Sigtuna my task force went south. An Ottoman settler was encountered, which settled the Ottomans’ fate of being next. They had already been reduced to just the capital, which included silk and gold.

Huts (five scouts in all but a bit for rudimentary defence too)
Not bad. Pottery, >spearman, population, 20 culture, trapping, 100 gold, 30 faith>Oral tradition pantheon, camps revealed (very late, S of Genoa)

Culture and faith
So I went with oral tradition, basically because I value culture higher than faith. But settling on the sugar was a mistake since it eventually deprived us of 1 cpt. More cotton along with incense to the NW was nice, though.

For arguments’ sake, isn’t religion rather unimportant in conquest games? Missing the pantheon would have been pretty awful of course, but around t100 none of the civs on the starting continent had founded a pantheon.

I ended up founding Zoroasterism and choosing the 100 gold for each conversion plus pagodas. This was in spite of the fact that some religious superpower (I’m guessing something green…) far away had enhanced their religion by then.

Social policies
Republic, then most of tradition so far. I may be able to finish tradition before reaching the Renaissance (Astronomy) and turning to rationalism. While opening up tradition for the sake of border growth was an easy choice, the choice between commerce and to go on with tradition is not so easy: Upgrade money will be highly sought after since losses are minimal against the weak AI.

Wonders
Maosoleum of Halicarnassus, Oracle, Petra, Hanging Gardens. Macchu Pinchu would be nice, we’ll see. The National College was almost exactly as expensive as Petra, 245 hammers, so I used the republic great engineer for that.

For once, I didn’t fail at building the wonders I tried for. The Great Library comes a bit too early in the game, I sometimes feel.


The big question now is who to hit after Ottomans. My army being primitive, it will probably be Rome even if Astronomy is not so far off.
 
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Usual tradition. Settled on original square. Got 4 cities up fairly quickly. Two next to the mountains to the north. Not ideal locations but wanted to be able to access observatories in Two of the Four cities.

was a bit late with national college (turn 112) as was under attack from lots of barbarians, maybe should have stopped building settlers to add a few archers.
 
Usual tradition. Settled on original square. Got 4 cities up fairly quickly. Two next to the mountains to the north. Not ideal locations but wanted to be able to access observatories in Two of the Four cities.

was a bit late with national college (turn 112) as was under attack from lots of barbarians, maybe should have stopped building settlers to add a few archers.
Are you sure you posted in the right thread? This thread is about tsg233, the Domination game.
 
Domination on large continents made me want to try and go full warmonger. Given the large map I didn't think I could clear my continent though.

I moved the warrior to the NW desert hill to start but didn't see any more desert to the SW of that so moved the settler to the NW cotton - and saw coast. Darn, now I would have to decide whether to go to the coast in a suboptimal location (floodplains) or to settler one off the coast. I had to go to the coast since its continents and I'll need coastal cities; Petra will make up for it later. It truly is a suboptimal location - growth is slow, production is slow, sheesh. Good thing I have allied the two militaristic CS to the south so I don't have to build units. And I allied the cultural CS to the NW; Gustav didn't like that.

For SP, I went full Honor. I never do that so this is the perfect time. Between the cultural CS and the culture from killing barbs I am speeding through the tree. I think I might try Honor/Commerce/Autocracy method that I've seen on CivFanatics. For religion, I couldn't resist DF but I got lucky because it was like the 4th pantheon. Someone got a pantheon on T10 which means the Celts are probably in the game; I think they're the only ones who can get it that fast. I also went with the standard Tithe and Pagodas; I haven't gotten my 2nd prophet yet to reform. I haven't tried for any wonders yet because of the poor hammer situation - but I'm building Petra now.

Some notable events so far: Ruins were pretty good and I got quite a few. Adam upgraded to a spearman, Archery, Map, Culture, Pop, Sailing, can't remember the rest. On T30 my scout ran into an unescorted Ottoman settler, it was pretty far from my lands but I had to take it. Peaced out a bit later. Then on T63 I ran into another unescorted Ottoman settler, thanks Suleman. Peaced out again and now on T104 he is the only AI that doesn't have any negative red markers against me, go figure. (Ahmad may not either, I didn't meet him until pretty late but both Gustav and Caesar covet my lands and are competing for the same CS.)

And that's where we stand. Slow start, I don't even have NC yet; and won't for awhile since I'm building Petra. But I'm about to attack Gustav and should be able to take his capital pretty easily. I was going to keep him as a friend because of his bonus but he's being aggressive and complaining about a bunch of stuff so he's got to go.
 

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- What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?

Continents means we will probably need Frigates if there are any capitals on the coast of the other continent. So my initial plan was to tech to Wats, then go warring. That plan changed during the course of the game though.

I settled on the grasslands hill E-SE. Settling on hill give an extra hammer, and I had access to all the luxes.

- Have you allied any City-States already?
Yes. Almost all of the CS wanted me to clear some barb camps, which I happily did. Also for the gold and the XP for my archers (later CBs). I was friends/allies with the two militaristic CS to the south, and the two cultural CS on and off during the early game.

- Did you capture any cities in the early game? What was your army composition?

I DOWed Rome when I saw they were spamming cities in my direction. I had to raze 3 of his cities before I would have a good angle on conquering the capital. My army was 4-5 CBs, 1 catapult, a spearman or two, and two warriors. About half of those were gifts from CS.

- What religious beliefs did you pick?

t46 DF, t102 Tithe and Happiness from Shrines
- What Social Policies did you choose?

Left liberty, then full Honor. I realized that in spite of the big map, there weren't many good city spots with unique luxes. I settled my only expo (from the free liberty settler) on the Copper, south of the mountain range to the west of our capital. I figured this location would get me better access to march my armies towards Rome and Stockholm.

- What Wonders did you try to get and did you get them?
Only went for Oracle, and got it easily.
 
Turn 111. I just finished building Petra and started on the National College. It has been slow-going because the starting location has plenty of food and gold but not much production. I went Liberty and I got beat by 2 turns on the Pyramids. I also built the Mausoleum because I have a couple of quarry tiles and I had a city-state request it.

My army is mostly composite bows at this point, and a scout and a spearman. I also have 2 warriors back home to defend against barbs. I just captured Stockholm a few turns ago. I lost one comp-bow in that battle (I thought he could take one more hit and then retreat to heal) I made peace with Gustav right after taking Stockholm; Caesar or Sulieman should declare war and kill him pretty soon.

I founded one of the first 2 religions. It was a toss-up between Oral Tradition and Desert Folklore for the pantheon, and I picked DF. Beliefs are Tithe, Pagodas, Religious Texts, and Choral Music. Stockholm is also a holy city; he founded Protestantism right before I captured it. I haven't zapped it with an inquisitor yet.

I took a great engineer for the Liberty finisher instead of a scientist, and planted a manufactory. Between that and the extra hammers from Petra, production is pretty good now. Not sure if I'll try to build Oracle or not, but I need to get another settler or two out for coastal cities, and start building spearmen to upgrade to pikes to get on with the warmongering. Elephants are still a long ways off.

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