psparky
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- Feb 24, 2011
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I guess you guys will have seen this before, but it was a big surprise to me. I was Rome in a small/quick/emperor game. America had eliminated their one continental rival so five civs left. America were big and the science leaders. They were also my friends and I had converted them to my religion. The Shoshone were very strong on culture and tourism (having two levels of influence over everybody else). My tourism was the worst by some way.
America was first to Ideology and went Order. I was second so to maintain good relations, I also went Order. America proposed Order as world ideology and this got passed. The other three civs all went Freedom. When the Shoshone went for Freedom I was braced for unhappiness, but it didn't happen. And when I checked the details, the only unhappy civ was... The Shoshone!
I was OK with 3 points for Freedom (2 Shoshone, 1 England) balanced by 3 for Order (2 from world ideology, 1 America), America was 2-2. England and Venice were also 2-2 getting 2 for their chosen Freedom from the Shoshone to counterbalance the 2 from world ideology. But the Shoshone only had the negative two from world ideology, and so had dissidents.
I always believed that the way to avoid this unhappiness was to be strong on culture/tourism, so this rather upset my perception on how to play. I was in some danger of falling a further level behind the Shoshone, but it seemed the best remedy was to let America get another level on me and avoid getting any influence levels with them. One thing I immediately did was give America open borders to increase their tourism over me.
It seems that it may often a good idea to let other civs with the same ideology as you gain tourism influence on you. Any thoughts on this or other possibly non-intuitive techniques regarding tourism?
America was first to Ideology and went Order. I was second so to maintain good relations, I also went Order. America proposed Order as world ideology and this got passed. The other three civs all went Freedom. When the Shoshone went for Freedom I was braced for unhappiness, but it didn't happen. And when I checked the details, the only unhappy civ was... The Shoshone!
I was OK with 3 points for Freedom (2 Shoshone, 1 England) balanced by 3 for Order (2 from world ideology, 1 America), America was 2-2. England and Venice were also 2-2 getting 2 for their chosen Freedom from the Shoshone to counterbalance the 2 from world ideology. But the Shoshone only had the negative two from world ideology, and so had dissidents.
I always believed that the way to avoid this unhappiness was to be strong on culture/tourism, so this rather upset my perception on how to play. I was in some danger of falling a further level behind the Shoshone, but it seemed the best remedy was to let America get another level on me and avoid getting any influence levels with them. One thing I immediately did was give America open borders to increase their tourism over me.
It seems that it may often a good idea to let other civs with the same ideology as you gain tourism influence on you. Any thoughts on this or other possibly non-intuitive techniques regarding tourism?