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Applying for Areia, Mazsakata Horde, and the Seleukid Empire, in that order.


I tend to specialise in war and revanche; if my first choice fails, my choices fall in the order that I am for revenge against whoever robbed me of my rightful crown as King of Areia. I have a decent command of historical knowledge and utilisation as needed.

Plans will be sent should I be given competitors and when I have a better idea of my neighbors.
 
Applying for the Ruxsalannoi Horde! My secondary choice is the Kingdom of Makedonia.

My NESing strength is, um, nothing really! I try to be interesting? I DROVE RUSSIA TO THE GROUND ONCE. AS RUSSIA.

EDIT: Oh oh oh almost forgot. I send orders regularly and can get really into a game if the mod updates regularly! I also keep records of what I do in a game, so I know the haps of my country.
 
Applying for a Chinese Rebellion in Beijing (Which I think, as of 600 AD, is called Ji, right)? Got to think of a name.

Experience:
INES II: (Freedom Forces of Italinia) Horribly failed. My entire nation was literally destroyed in one turn. Instead of switching, I'm acting as a GiE. Give me a break, though, it was my /very first/ NES.

All the World is a Stage: (Scotland) Got my King killed and surrendered a war, but, at the same point, narrowly saved Scotland from being destroyed (It was if it stayed NPC'd) forced Mali to open their ports, and attempting to make Scotland a colonial empire (Don't know if it worked until the update that's taking forever comes). I'm saying I'm doing very well so far, even though Scotland's population hates me.

As Many as the Stars: Died out before I got a chance.

Anarchy: Again, Died out. Did very well for the one/two turns it lasted, however. One of the few with an actual job.

Kingdoms of Isdam: (The Irryn Republic) Mod quit, but, even though I'm a small nation, I was :):):):)ing AWESOME! I didn't join the Abdsol-Creul War until one turn before the Mod quit, but I was forcing the Creuls to retreat like their was no tomorrow. My Calvary just owned, plain and simple. Wish the Mod didn't Quit.

Probation: (Kovac Gang) Not truly a NES (It's more like a Board Game), but it is in these forums. Picked a horrible starting spot, and died, but not without killing most of the attackers in the process. And there was A LOT of them. I was basically an USSR that lost WWII. They won, but they had to pay for it.

MilarNES II: (Confederacy of the United Tribes of New York) Just restarted, and joined during the restart process. Basically, I don't know yet.

AmonNES II: (Korea) See MilarNES II.

Imperial Glory: (Rhineland) Turn 1 hasn't started yet.

NESing Strengths
"Bows Down to no King"- KoI (No matter how pathetic and small my nation truly is, I never give up.)

"The Glorious River"- IG (I can really get into character if I really want to)

"Omega gets the Most Rebellious Player Award (Might be Bridged, I don't know)"- INES II (I liek Rebellions. I don't give up on them if I fail. I become secret. I wait. I wait. I strike again. If that fails, I repeat).

I'm kinda a Newb, so I can't say I won any NES, but I always have fun playing them. And it IS only a game.
 
Interesting, very interesting; the Nanyue as an actual state? I'm going to express my interest in that state and will proceed to post further on that after induction tonight.

I will emphasize the glorious Yue culture though we *are* Chinese ;)
 
Claiming Kingdom of Areia which I'm sure that you will give me.

I am skilled at changing Greek words into mocking mishmashes. I refer to Areia as Partoareiaselukosassania. Or I may switch it around and call it Aeriasassaniparthoselucia. I'm very creative in that way. I guarantee that every new order title will have a newly invented mocking mishmash.

I'm also good at mocking ancient civilizations by calling Bactrians a bunch of Greeks who think they're Afghans squatting in the crappiest place on earth. Greek civilization shall be thoroughly ridiculed in my orders. Of that I assure you.

I occasionally make racist comments throughout the NES which everyone can look forward to.

On special occasion I will have drunk too much and I shall post in the NES thread drunk.

On even more special occasions I will pretend to be drunk for reasons rooted to deep psychological issues.

Also I may possibly suffer from undiagonsed severe dyslexia hence my posts and orders will be full of mispelled words and wrong grammar and run on sentences and my maps will appear to be drawn by a brain damaged 2 year old with trisomy 21.

Humor will abound in your NES thanks to my antics. That's why you should give me Sassaniparthoaeriaselukia.
 
First Choice: Iberian Empire
Second Choice: Aksumite Empire
Third Choice: Kingdom of Makedonia

I think of myself as an opportunist. I will build-up in hopes that opportunities will arise that I can take advantage of, and then I will use the momentum from those opportunities to drive me through the NES.

I played in your last NES, where I chilled as the Netherlands. The only time I ever fought someone was when I slaughtered a crazy Timorese rebellion when I took over custody of Portugal's colonies.
 
First Choice: Republic of Panormos
Second Choice: Aegyptos, I suppose

Archon Deucalion Amyntor (Δευκαλίων Αμύντωρ)
Strengths: Unparalleled opportunism. Previous experience with coalition building, story-writing, and Mediterranean hegemonies. You know my playing history.

Most awards in LINESII, Best New Player in NES2 V, some other awards in NES2 VI and AFSNES, other random accolades I care little for.

I'd like to borrow the slogan of a popular Indian beverage in suggesting a game title: DaNES II: Taste the Thunder.

Also, quick question. I fail to see how Corsica/Sardinia are mostly unsettled, as they were fully settled by mid-Punic War times. Even if they were devastated by raids, I don't really understand how they could have utterly collapsed into barbarism.
 
Archon Deucalion Amyntor (Δευκαλίων Αμύντωρ)
Strengths: Unparalleled opportunism. Previous experience with coalition building, story-writing, and Mediterranean hegemonies. You know my playing history.
You're the one who approved my cunning plan in the original DaNES! The cunning plan that involved spending 80% of government extra income on TRACTORS.
 
Interesting, very interesting; the Nanyue as an actual state? I'm going to express my interest in that state and will proceed to post further on that after induction tonight.

I will emphasize the glorious Yue culture though we *are* Chinese ;)

Why do you regard Nanyue existing as an independent state a novel concept? OTL Nanyue was as autonomous from the Han, as say, Tibet was from the Ming. In any case, you won't be "inducted" as any position until Tuesday, at least if Dachs keeps his word on the OP.

Your overused meme of asserting "X is Chinese" isn't exactly accurate in this case either. While linguistically modern day Guangdonghua does descend from Old Chinese, and is probably a more pure version of it than Putonghua, I really doubt this is the case here. Besides a Qin domination of the area that lasted a few decades, this timeline's version of Nanyue hasn't been ruled from anyplace north of Guangxi ever. Add that to the fact that the Chinese national identity is much more vague, amorphous, and possibly fractured in this ATL, that the Yue people are definitely not descended from the Huang He cradle as opposed to say, modern day Shanghainese or Sichuanese, who are, and the already established religious and cultural pecularities of the Nanyue state, and the assertion really falls apart. How "Chinese" do you think the Zhao royals are going to look when they've been marrying into what is essentially a purely Yue population for centuries?

Anyway, try not to screw up my family name too much. Your joining changes a lot of plans I had for that area. /grumblegrumble

tl;dr: Go away you annoying Guangdongren
 
You're the one who approved my cunning plan in the original DaNES! The cunning plan that involved spending 80% of government extra income on TRACTORS.

I have completely blocked out whatever you are referring to and thus you have no evidence or proof.
 
Great apps, guys, keep em coming! :D Though I would like to emphasize that everybody should give serious thought to their second choices. Liang and Areia can only go to one person each after all...

Omega, I'm happy to see that you're interested, but I'd really rather you play as an actual country instead of a rebellion. It'd be nice to fill up most of the corners of the map. :)
Armies numbers aside, I was also considering economics. The Chinese states stomp on Yamato greatly in this.
Similar reason as for the armies; the Emperor can't just collect cash monies from, say, anyone. It also means that he doesn't have to pay as much in upkeep. Feudatories also tend to act on their own initiative in building stuff, expanding borders, and so forth.
Abaddon said:
Do we have a concrete X units cost X upkeep?
No. Certain other factors, such as military quality, the comparative value of silver in different parts of the world, the type of units that you're raising, and the type of government under which you operate all impact military upkeep. And remember, that upkeep isn't just paying for your armies too. Bureaucrats, retainers, harems, palace janitors, they all need pay.
Abaddon said:
What costs to raise troops? Does it equal a turns upkeep?
It's in the rules.

1,000 infantry = 150 talents
1,000 cavalry = 300 talents
10 ships = 200 talents

Again, these are professional units, not levies. Levies you can raise by saying "yo I want my feudatories to gimme sum troops" or something along those lines and boom you get the levies. Levies also tend to cost less in terms of upkeep than professional soldiers. A lot less.

Now, you may notice that this means that you can't raise a whole lot of professional troops per turn as, well, virtually any polity on the map. Well, you actually can; you just need to implement other fiscal policies to increase revenue. Impose new taxes or trade duties, exploit new mines (assuming you have new mines to exploit), conquer new territories - all sorts of revenue-increasing options are available to you. And you have to employ those if you want to increase your body of professional troops.

Implementing the "treasury" rule means that in an emergency, you can raise more professional troops than normal. You'll just get gut-punched over them in the medium term, in terms of upkeep. So even then, you'll have to find a way to increase revenue or risk financial exhaustion.

You could also theoretically disband troops to increase your revenue flow. This causes other problems, though. In order to avoid the problem of "people constantly disbanding old troops and raising new ones", the impact of disbanding troops on upkeep has been staggered a bit. So if you disband troops in Turn 3 (611-615) your upkeep won't go down until the 615 update. It'll also have a baneful effect on your Quality.

Did that explain things to your satisfaction? :)
Also, quick question. I fail to see how Corsica/Sardinia are mostly unsettled, as they were fully settled by mid-Punic War times. Even if they were devastated by raids, I don't really understand how they could have utterly collapsed into barbarism.
Not 'barbarism', but a lack of organized polities. The Seleukids had settled them, but only to the extent of founding some settlements along the coast. Those settlements are still there, they just don't pledge allegiance to anybody in particular, and fight among themselves constantly. The interior was never seriously occupied, and the Nuragic peoples - well, whatever has become of the Nuragic peoples - are still there, by and large. In short, it's eminently possible to expand into those territories.
You're the one who approved my cunning plan in the original DaNES! The cunning plan that involved spending 80% of government extra income on TRACTORS.
:rotfl:
 
Why do you regard Nanyue existing as an independent state a novel concept? OTL Nanyue was as autonomous from the Han, as say, Tibet was from the Ming. In any case, you won't be "inducted" as any position until Tuesday, at least if Dachs keeps his word on the OP.

Your overused meme of asserting "X is Chinese" isn't exactly accurate in this case either. While linguistically modern day Guangdonghua does descend from Old Chinese, and is probably a more pure version of it than Putonghua, I really doubt this is the case here. Besides a Qin domination of the area that lasted a few decades, this timeline's version of Nanyue hasn't been ruled from anyplace north of Guangxi ever. Add that to the fact that the Chinese national identity is much more vague, amorphous, and possibly fractured in this ATL, that the Yue people are definitely not descended from the Huang He cradle as opposed to say, modern day Shanghainese or Sichuanese, who are, and the already established religious and cultural pecularities of the Nanyue state, and the assertion really falls apart. How "Chinese" do you think the Zhao royals are going to look when they've been marrying into what is essentially a purely Yue population for centuries?

Anyway, try not to screw up my family name too much. Your joining changes a lot of plans I had for that area. /grumblegrumble

tl;dr: Go away you annoying Guangdongren

I apologize, I should have clarified myself in my earlier post. The existence of Nanyue as an actual viable entity in a NES is itself a novel concept. In my memories of the super-vast majority of neses played, Nanyue simply does not exist or barely registers.

Secondly, the induction I was speaking of was not of this nes but my fraternity's induction ceremony for our new pledges tonight. I admit I wasn't as clear as I should have been so for that I again apologize. ;)

And I also love how you took my statement to be in complete seriousness. I am actually completely aware of everything you mentioned; my own family is supposedly descended from Northern Song Dynasty generals exiled for various crimes to the South.

Spoiler long rang about my ideas on Nanyue :
On a completely different note: I challenge your notion that Nanyue would never have been ruled by anything north of Guangxi after the Qin Dynasty. In one of the Chinese state's description, it states that the Han Empire collapsed roughly circa 50 BC. I am of the understanding that the greater steppe migrations simply sped up the demise of the Western Han Dynasty and led to a weaker consolidation under the Empire of Qi. That being said, I am still of the belief that the quickened death of the Western Han did not in anyway prevent the Western Han from conquering and ruling Nanyue. While I believe that the Western Han did not have sufficient time to complete a so-called "Sinification", I would argue they would at least demanded nominal control.

I also challenge the idea that OTL Nanyue was as autonomous from the Han as Tibet from the Ming; while that might necessarily be true for the first century of the Western Han, I would argue that Nanyue could possibly have been incorporated for roughly five to seven decades prior to the Han collapse and considering something very similar to the Rebellion of the Seven Princes was sure to take place in Ha, I doubt there would have been much autonomy. That being said, I planned to follow the idea that Nanyue gained and had its independence recognized during the Qi Dynasty (even if it was under nominal vassalage) and continue from there with a new dynasty claiming hereditary lineage to the first Zhao rulers.

But I guess this isn't for now
 
Can you guys take the Asian nerdrage to WWW or something, it's ruining the aesthete of the thread.

You're just jealous because there's nobody to discuss the fine points of your potential country with you :)
 
See: Dachs and I discussing the fine points of my potential country. Above. On this page.

I didn't really consider that to be a fine point but something along the lines of clarification. But now that you bring it up:

@Dachs, what's your take on Kraz and my discussion on Nanyue?
 
A new Dach's NES? wonderful!

1st choice: Kingdom of Mysia
2nd choice: Kingdom of Areia
3rd choice: Aorsi Horde

NESing Strengths: It's hard to tell. I guess I'm somewhat able at empire-making, but I'm not very sure.

Awards/achievements in NESes: I got an honorable mention in AFSNES I, building a somewhat powerful empire from a medium-sized and backwater country and powerful and moder navy and army. Managed to unite most of Italy in LuckNES V, achieving a tactical victory aganist much more fowerful enemies (albeit backed by a powerful France). Created a quite powerful empire from a backwater Dacia in SerfNES I, conquering most of the Balkans in the end.
Created a powerful Venetian Empire (but not that much influential) in JNES: Civilizations.

It's not that much, but achivements are not what make a NESer strong:D
 
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