I didn't resort to name calling, unless you think "neo liberal" is disparaging (also the use in that context is wrong, as neo-liberal is more referential to matters of economics, and neo-liberals are by most measures "conservative", I suppose Nambi-pamby is more what I was after there, which is disparaging, however very accurate, but I digress).
I suppose you take issue with the fact I point out there are many stupid arguments being made in this thread. Well there are, anyone who believes the civil war wasn't fought over slavery is either a revisionist, reinterpreting historical facts to fit their agenda, or they are simply nieve. When you're a little kid everyone tells you the civil war is about slavery, you get older learn about the economics, and form opinions based on the economic and legal points. But if you pay attention you should realize that every single economic and legal consideration is entirely based on slavery. Realizing and analytically separating the economic and legal issues involved in the civil war from slavery isn't clever, and it's the antithesis of clever not to connect the dots and eventually realize that ever separate issue brought up to explain the civil war derives entirely from the institution of slavery.
Of course I don't think that's what you're taking issue with, Thormodr. My take on it is you're obviously disdainful of all things European (or more likely white, which is kind of funny in it's own right as there is no White race, just various ethnic groups that superficially are less pigmented then other Caucasians), probably caused by white man's guilt, or something related to this. I get it, it's common. But to ignore the fact primitive societies regularly engage in what we consider in this day and age barbaric practices; for instance the Zulu's exterminating neighboring tribes in outright genocide, or pedophilia, or using child soldiers, under Shaka; if you can't accept these practices are pretty much common in pre-enlightenment societies in general, and are morally reprehensible to a modern mind, then that's pretty much it, it just ends the discussion. And that's fine by me. You're enamored by the idea of the noble savage, and have never bothered to think about basic issues like sewage, or the memes caused by the enlightenment, and the effects of these memes and their role on society. Again that's fine, it's not worth bothering with you personally more then this post. Keep living in your ideal, "White man screwed it all up" world, it really isn't worth bothering with more then making a single response post.