A Mafia Game taking place in the East [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Riedquat]

I suspect Zack was targeted by a Ninja. In the previous game I could either kill or roleblock, so that could be why the write-up was somewhat unclear. That and the death by kunai are strongly pointing to the existance of ninjas on top of yakuza and mafiya.

There are samurai also, so perhaps is just the samurai and not the ninja? I don't know...

 

[Count Dingdong]

Count Dingdong tried to push choxorn ahead of Kennigit at a pivotal moment in the Day yesterday.

Yes, Zack. I did. I didn't think that Kennigit was wolf, since the main argument against him was... what? That he wasn't lynched Day 1? Though he got quite a large push?

The main reason I voted that way was, as I said, that I didn't like that, not only had the Kennigit and Bsmith wagons come out of nowhere Day 1, but they also persisted into Day 2 with pretty much no reason that I could see. choxorn was the next alternative, and at least keeping competing wagons competing would give information. ...little did I know that that information would put me in a bad light, but what can you do... :smallsigh:

You being so insistent about us not voting choxorn was also curious enough that I preferred staying where I was.

That said, we now have two Yakuza and one Mafiya dead, which gives us a bit more to work with. In the process of doing a reread...

...and there's like nothing interesting from the dead baddies... except for the defense of Newyn that's already been noted. I'll certainly back that up despite the as-always-odd WIFOM that FC's trying to do. It's the best wagon I've seen this game...

Though, you know, FC, I really would have expected an elaborate fake-claim, perhaps neutral?

 

[BSmith1068]

Spaceman
KingMorgan
JohannaK

That is my current hot list of people that need some pressure.

Newyn is nothing more than a distraction at this point.

 

[remake20]

My biggest problem with Newyn is that if you are a town, it is in the best interest of the town that you do not get lynched. Some information can be gathered based on who voted, but if you're town, that information is very limited. Therefore, not providing a reason why we shouldn't lynch you is a very anti-town thing to do. From last game I figured out this is somewhat normal, but it doesn't help. I'm not really a huge fan of your lynch, but a town trying to get themselves lynched is no help to the town.

I am also curious on why BSmith has a FoS on those listed above.

 

[KingMorgan]

Does anyone else think that there have been an unusual number mafia deaths over the past 2 days? Out of 5 dead guys, 3 are baddies thats 60% evil, 40% good townies. 1.5 dead mafia for every townfolk lost. Seems impossibly improbable for random chance. It is a small sample size admittedly but for this stage of the proceedings it is a huge anomaly.

We have seen the Russian Mob and the Yakuza, should we also expect to find the Cosa Nostra and maybe the Triads? I noticed that the first 2 kills were with guns and the 2nd lot with swords, perhaps its just flavour.

 

[BSmith1068]

I am also curious on why BSmith has a FoS on those listed above.

On Spaceman - Mainly just a feeling reinforced by a few specific posts:

unvote: vote: Kennigit


Let the lynch mob commence.

This feels like a "I better get in early enough to buss my team member as it looks like he might get lynched and my vote on BSmith is now looking wasted" kind of post to me.

I think this argument also works in reverse. choxorn is a fine lynch

Pushing the choxorn lynch in the face of a good argument not to, yet with not much to put weight to his case (until pressured later). Also has the benefit of being the counter Kennigit option at the time.

though the samsniped thing was obviously a joke, not a true fos*

Distancing?

I agree that something about Snerk's comment rubs me the wrong way, since our "agreement" to lynch you wasn't exactly a solid compact. Nonetheless, for lack of any better candidates, I will stay on choxorn for now.

Its possible that BSmith got "saved", though a lot of the Kennigit wagon were people who reasoned that "we all want to lynch SOMEONE, and we're already voting for BSmith, so lets change to Kennigit" (me and edse IIRC).

Speaking of this, where is BSmith? He hasn't posted anything today at all. IIRC he often lurks as scum. You know what? unvote: vote: BSmith

Not really saying much here either. Then a switch to me for demonstrably false reasoning.

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On KingMorgan:

Choxorn gets my vote for yesterdays switcha-roo

Lazy vote.

Choxorn has absolutely no qualms about bussing teammates, he'd throw you under in an instant.

Unvote: choxorn however BSmith1068 has had his name splashed about a bit and made zero defence. Out of the 3 leading candidates he is the one we have hear the least from.

At the moment i've been thinking why the the dead guys were chosen, not many would off Southern first, that narrows down the list fair bit, unless of course it was RNG then there would be nothing to gleam.

Counter wagon momentum! Go! Go! Go!


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No JohannaK:

I'll go with Choxorn, though as Zack has pointed out no result is guarantee of anything.

"I'll vote for this even though it may not tell us anything". Lazy vote and trying to have it both ways.

Sigh. I don't know why I'm doing this, but okay. You're being too insistent.

choxorn Kennigit

"I can't really counter the public support for choxorn by Zack, so I might as well get on this as early as I can."

 

[Riedquat]

Does anyone else think that there have been an unusual number mafia deaths over the past 2 days? Out of 5 dead guys, 3 are baddies thats 60% evil, 40% good townies. 1.5 dead mafia for every townfolk lost. Seems impossibly improbable for random chance. It is a small sample size admittedly but for this stage of the proceedings it is a huge anomaly.

We have seen the Russian Mob and the Yakuza, should we also expect to find the Cosa Nostra and maybe the Triads? I noticed that the first 2 kills were with guns and the 2nd lot with swords, perhaps its just flavour.

Wasn't flavour the previous game, why would it be in the sequel?

And if the relation of dead scum isn't a coincidence then what? Somebody knew who they were from the start?

 

[johnhughthom]

Legato Endless

How dare you.

Looks for 'quietly seeth in the corner' smilie

 

[Zack]

So your reasons for thinking choxorn is town are:

private reasons

This is basically it. The other two reasons are very minor and not really worth considering, honestly. I know this essentially boils down to "trust me on this one," but there are better lynch candidates than choxorn today.

choxorn is usually a ruthless busser and so would have bussed here

This argument really only held weight when we didn't know Kennigit's alignment. Now that we know Kennigit was Yakuza, it's not nearly substantial enough to excuse choxorn saving him Day 1. It would still be uncharacteristic of choxorn, but that's not a very strong argument.

choxorn "did the opposite of save Kennigit yesterday"

I already noted (immediately after I made the point) that this is relatively trivial.

Yes, Zack. I did. I didn't think that Kennigit was wolf, since the main argument against him was... what? That he wasn't lynched Day 1? Though he got quite a large push?

The main reason I voted that way was, as I said, that I didn't like that, not only had the Kennigit and Bsmith wagons come out of nowhere Day 1, but they also persisted into Day 2 with pretty much no reason that I could see. choxorn was the next alternative, and at least keeping competing wagons competing would give information. ...little did I know that that information would put me in a bad light, but what can you do... :smallsigh:

You being so insistent about us not voting choxorn was also curious enough that I preferred staying where I was.

Yes, I know, which is why I changed my vote when something better came up. That said, we know Kennigit was yakuza and if we assume choxorn is town (likely), then it definitely could have been a ploy to lynch townie choxorn and thereby get Kennigit off of the hook (see choxorn is town, conclude he wasn't voting to save anyone after all, pressure off Kennigit).

It's not a particularly strong case, but it's something.

 

[KingMorgan]

And if the relation of dead scum isn't a coincidence then what? Somebody knew who they were from the start?

Crossfire innit. If there are more mafia in the pool of potentials then your more likely to hit one at random.

Perhaps my voting has been lazy, but in the early game there is little to go on. However I agree with BSmith today that Spaceman98 is very cheeky, saying he stays firm on vote for one guy only to flip a few sentences later, in the same post as well. Far too dis-honourable-san to be a good eastern townie.

 

[Riedquat]

Crossfire innit. If there are more mafia in the pool of potentials then your more likely to hit one at random.

Perhaps my voting has been lazy, but in the early game there is little to go on. However I agree with BSmith today that Spaceman98 is very cheeky, saying he stays firm on vote for one guy only to flip a few sentences later, in the same post as well. Far too dis-honourable-san to be a good eastern townie.

You did the exactly same thing yesterday.. that is why I voted you from all the wagons going on..

 

[Internet Flea]

And if the relation of dead scum isn't a coincidence then what? Somebody knew who they were from the start?

Double A flat out claimed to have killed a Mafiya member while wolf hunting. Not surprising he got killed right back.

 

[BSmith1068]

Internet Flea is right. Come to think of it, this post is quite strange. Not sure what to make of it really:

I really wish I had a counterargument there so I could tell you you're barking up the wrong tree, Verarde.

Anyway, it looks like I called the mafiya. I accept cash, check, and Steam. Divinations have never been this cheap, you guys. Act while my supplies of chicken blood still last.

 

[Zack]

Yeah, it's pretty funny. Random defense of Newyn (who had no chance of getting lynched) and basically admitted he killed someone. And then he says this later to top it off:

If I were scum, I wouldn't make WIFOMs indicative of my guilt or innocence.

 

[spaceman98]

Ok, I'm going to go back and look at all your posts...

Spoiler :

And before someone complains about this, yes there are more Zack posts that I didn't add to the multiquote, but this should be all the ones that give arguments against lynching choxorn

So your reasons for thinking choxorn is town are:

private reasons

Meaningless to anyone who isn't you. You may very well have a very good reason not to vote for him based on your private interaction. But as long as you are (quite reasonably) keeping the details of that interaction secret it can't give anyone else any good reason not to vote for choxorn.

choxorn is usually a ruthless busser and so would have bussed here

If that is true (and it doesn't look like anyone is disputing it), and if everybody knows that it is true, then couldn't it make sense for him to intentionally do something different? Your argument implies that it is impossible (or prohibitively unlikely) that a mafia choxorn thinks "hey, everyone knows I buss hard when I am mafia. Maybe I should throw people off my trail by not doing it now." Basically you are arguing that he is completely and laughably predictable. What is that thing you said: "let's stop pretending that townies are smart and mafia are dumb"

choxorn "did the opposite of save Kennigit yesterday"

So much for choxorn is a ruthless busser so can't be mafia because he didn't buss Kennigit, huh?


Basically, your argument is that choxorn did something different than he normally would as mafia so he can't be mafia. Then he did it later and that is further proof that he isn't mafia. And you totally have more reasons in secret that he isn't mafia.

You know what, your right. Screw you and your "private reasons" Zaccino, unvote: vote: choxorn. Seriously, why are so many people so adamant to defend Choxorn with their lives (BSmith too now)?

Does anyone else think that there have been an unusual number mafia deaths over the past 2 days? Out of 5 dead guys, 3 are baddies thats 60% evil, 40% good townies. 1.5 dead mafia for every townfolk lost. Seems impossibly improbable for random chance. It is a small sample size admittedly but for this stage of the proceedings it is a huge anomaly.

We have seen the Russian Mob and the Yakuza, should we also expect to find the Cosa Nostra and maybe the Triads? I noticed that the first 2 kills were with guns and the 2nd lot with swords, perhaps its just flavour.

From what others have said in thread there's an undamaged Ninja scumteam running around.

 

[Zack]

You know what, your right. Screw you and your "private reasons" Zaccino, unvote: vote: choxorn. Seriously, why are so many people so adamant to defend Choxorn with their lives (BSmith too now)?

Why are you so adamant to lynch him? It's already been pointed out by myself and others that plenty of other people had the opportunity to seal Kennigit's fate Day 1.

Why not vote Count Dingdong for trying to "save" Kennigit yesterday? Why are you so set on choxorn, just to spite me?

 

[BSmith1068]

I for one will give Zack the benefit of the doubt. And I can be pretty certain that town power roles will be checking on Choxorn in the background to confirm what is being said in private - at least that is what I would be doing... Therefore choxorn is not a target that needs any more pressuring at this point in time. It is much better for us to focus on others that haven't really been focused on yet.

 

[spaceman98]

Why are you so adamant to lynch him? It's already been pointed out by myself and others that plenty of other people had the opportunity to seal Kennigit's fate Day 1.

Why not vote Count Dingdong for trying to "save" Kennigit yesterday? Why are you so set on choxorn, just to spite me?

I love how half of my critics are calling me adamant, while half are accusing me of being wishy-washy. I've considered many cases other than choxorn, and he isn't the only good lynch today (Newyn being the other strong candidate IMO and digging his hole deeper with every "I don't care if you lynch me post". Its really a race to the bottom between you two.). However, chox is a good lynch hence my vote. As for Count Dingdong: He voted for choxorn and now you try to get him lynched. That doesn't make you two look any better, Zack.

 

[JohannaK]

As Zack, I have my (non-conclusive yet strong) reasons to think that choxorn is not a good lynch.

 

[Takhisis]

Player Supurigu-san has replaced #6 player TheLuigiBrother-san.
reaverb has asked to be taken off the replacement players list for now.

New Player list:

1. BSmith1068
2. SouthernKing TOWN
3. Zack
4. Verarde
5. spaceman98
6. Sprig 二
7. KingMorgan
8. Riedquat
9. choxorn
10. Double A YAKUZA
11. edse
12. SamSniped MAFIYA
13. JohannaK
14. Snerk
15. Kennigit YAKUZA
16. remake20
17. Legato Endless
18. Count Dingdong
19. johnhughthom
20. Internet Flea
21. WinterLilium
22. Sprig TOWN
23. Caelian
24. Newyn
25. TFT
26. Murska

Reserves:
1. Winston Hughes.​

Everybody, please to welcome Supurigu-san.