COVID-19 virus thread (formerly Wuhan coronavirus)

[Takhisis]

The global lack of leadership in every nation and on every level has been damning for us not as nations but as a global society. When this does finally blow over things will be different and one can hope that difference will be for the better of mankind.

I don't know. The elites stayed in power after 1918, 1929 and 2008.

geopolitics and economic politics is at the core of such a disaster.

And some of this discussion can wait.

I don't know about the US, but here the ruling party (a borderline minority coalition in terms of votes received) is a coalition of wildly diferring interests. The more militant entryist factions yesterday announced that as soon as this coronavirus thing is over they'll restart the struggle to take power away from the president and turn this into a little Venezuela.

People are going to die and suffer as a result of trumps inaction, I've lost BOTH of my jobs as a result of this and I have no faith in the gop displaying anything resembling basic humanity or decency to people like me.

The same with the ruling coalition mentioned above. I'm just having to wait it out, cooped up in here with my parents, and seeing whether I'll get a job after because all my freelance stuff is dead and any place with a steady-paying job, by necessity, needs an actual workplace and those are all actually closed.

@Takhisis: Would you mind shedding some light on what exactly is happening here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/fm12ek/i_love_the_smell_of_democracy_in_the_cuarentena/

Eeeeh, no idea whatsoever. There's no words and whenever I try to scroll down reddit sends me to the general r/argentina page.

 

[red_elk]

I had to break isolation and go get some groceries myself because my mother can't read a list and kept buying crap we didn't need instead of stuff that we do need. Hopefully whatever I have isn't COVID-19 but I feel bad about going out anyways.

Can't you order a delivery?

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

No.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Can't you order a delivery?

I dunno about where Aimee is, but my gf tried the online order system that we used once and found that only three items on our list were available. So I dragged my potentially infected carcass out to the store taking all the precautions I could and did the regular shopping, finding that almost everything we needed was actually available. Maintaining the delivery system infrastructure in times of difficulties with inventory is apparently not going well.

 

[Zardnaar]

We're in isolation as well. Still go out for essentials grocery's and work.

We do it really early or late to avoid crowds. There's been panic buying but it's not strip the shelves levels still.

They've delayed opening hours though to give night time to stock shelves and limits have been placed on certain items.

Hospitality is devastated, suspect they'll be closed down soon.

I dunno about where Aimee is, but my gf tried the online order system that we used once and found that only three items on our list were available. So I dragged my potentially infected carcass out to the store taking all the precautions I could and did the regular shopping, finding that almost everything we needed was actually available. Maintaining the delivery system infrastructure in times of difficulties with inventory is apparently not going well.

The way they're doing it here is prioritizing bulk goods. That means they might sell out of obscure hipster stuff as it guns up the workers in the DCs.

Picking up 200 cans is a lot easier than picking 40 lots of 5 whatever.

 

[Zelig]

Such as Nova Scotia NOT TESTING FOR COMMUNITY SPREAD and then constantly saying all the new cases are travel-related. So we won't know how much community spread there is until people start showing up in the ER.

This is by design. You can't test everyone, so you want to use your tests on the people with the highest chance of testing positive, which are travellers and people in the ER.

We're in isolation as well. Still go out for essentials grocery's and work.

If you're going out for groceries and work, you are not in isolation.

 

[Zardnaar]

This is by design. You can't test everyone, so you want to use your tests on the people with the highest chance of testing positive, which are travellers and people in the ER.



If you're going out for groceries and work, you are not in isolation.

True but the idea is to minimize contact not head for the hills. Essential services are still running.

We're trying to copy Singapore and South Korea. I don't think we'll do as well but they're trying to flatten the curve to get additional ICUs online.

People still got to stock up for level 3 and 4.

They're doing contact testing and have mobile testing if you ring the hotline and have symptoms. The idea is to keep the hospitals clear.

You only go into full isolation if you have symptoms even flu/cold.

They should shut schools though, I suspect that's coming this week. Buys time for people to make arrangements.

If they shut everything all at once I would expect more panic.

 

[Cheetah]

If you stay home mostly, but aren't actually sick so you can go out for groceries, medicines, and walking the dog, we say that you're in quarantine.

If you're not allowed to leave your home because you're actually sick, we say your in isolation.

At least how the nomenclature works in Norway.

 

[red_elk]

I dunno about where Aimee is, but my gf tried the online order system that we used once and found that only three items on our list were available. So I dragged my potentially infected carcass out to the store taking all the precautions I could and did the regular shopping, finding that almost everything we needed was actually available. Maintaining the delivery system infrastructure in times of difficulties with inventory is apparently not going well.

I understand. It works where I live and I'm going to use it in case I have symptoms, but outside of Moscow it probably doesn't work as well.

 

[Takhisis]

Long ago, my university's Faculty of Social Sciences had Letters, Law, Psychology, etc. peeled away as the numbers of students grew exponentially.
For long years I wondered why the translation coursework had been assigned in its entirety to ‘Law’ insted of being divided between them and Letters.
The dean of Social Sciences (the remainder of the once all-encompassing entity) has postulated this week that coronavirus is ‘a social construction’ by ‘neoliberalism’ and ‘the media’. WTH

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

The dean of Social Sciences (the remainder of the once all-encompassing entity) has postulated this week that coronavirus is ‘a social construction’ by ‘neoliberalism’ and ‘the media’. WTH

How can a virus be a social construction? It's making people sick!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If you stay home mostly, but aren't actually sick so you can go out for groceries, medicines, and walking the dog, we say that you're in quarantine.

If you're not allowed to leave your home because you're actually sick, we say your in isolation.

At least how the nomenclature works in Norway.

I have no idea about official applications, but I would have intuitively gone exactly opposite of that.

 

[Grisu]

Any numbers on this?

I was talking with a pilot buddy (domestic flights) who got back from a week of work last night - he was saying his airline was planning on laying off a huge swathe of pilots and cutting routes, but that as of now he's still been getting lots of requests for overtime shifts, even though his planes are mostly flying with a single-digit number of passengers per flight.

I guess the situation is pretty different in Europe from North America. Domestic flights are negligible here, since most countries are small. Swiss is pretty much completely grounded atm.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I understand. It works where I live and I'm going to use it in case I have symptoms, but outside of Moscow it probably doesn't work as well.

The supermarket chain we shop at implemented pick up service and delivery service not very long ago, and the mechanisms were not structured to accommodate widespread inventory problems. Probably weren't structured to handle the level of usage they would be getting now either, if they hadn't already broken down. Lessons learned.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

I think the Superstore in my town has pick-up service (not entirely sure), but I can't drive.

 

[Cheetah]

Covid-19 news from Norway:

• Things are calm, the shelves are stocked, parents and children drive each other crazy, and health services are still fine.
• The law making it illegal to stay in the cabins is in effect, and mostly accepted.
• The government thinks the municipalities in the north which are quarantining people who have been in the southern parts of Norway are doing so illegally, and is trying to find the right legal words to force them to stop.
• We had some issues getting medical supplies over the border from Sweden, as the EU is intending to keep the stuff they need for themselves. But we talked it over and it passed.
• Since most social stuff is closed, people are recommended to take walks around in parks and nearby forests and mountains. Now there are so many people going out for walks, it's almost too crowded for it to be done safely.
• Restaurants and bars were allowed to be open if they could maintain a one metre distance between customers. After repeatedly failing to do so, Oslo tonight withdrew all licenses to serve alcohol in the entire city (~550,000 people).
• The government wanted some emergency powers to run the country through the crisis, but lawyers balked at the details. Parliament modified it to be less overreaching and just passed a month long emergency powers law.

 

[Takhisis]

How can a virus be a social construction? It's making people sick!

It's the same people who praise China's actions on this when China's inaction is what has inflicted this upon the world.

 

[Zardnaar]

If you stay home mostly, but aren't actually sick so you can go out for groceries, medicines, and walking the dog, we say that you're in quarantine.

If you're not allowed to leave your home because you're actually sick, we say your in isolation.

At least how the nomenclature works in Norway.

I suspect Norway will be one of the nation's coming out relatively fine.

Also maybe the richest nation on the planet with that slush fund.

 

[Yeekim]

How's the progress in Estonia?

Second week of quarantine. Most everything is closed down.
~3000 tested, ~300 infected, a dozen hospitalized, fortunately no deaths yet.

 

[Takhisis]

Over 1,200 people detained in the first day and a half of quarantine. At this rate we'll have to officially enter a state of siege.