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Ok that is good to know. Oh and I definitely agree that Methos should be kept around. As long as he isn't a saboteur he will actually help the innocents whether he is innocent or not.
NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread
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Again I ask, if she trusted you so much, then why didn't she tell you who she passed the explosives too? Sure looks like she trusted you to me.
I like how you lie about something with no proof. After all, Seon himself told me about the scanner today, or last night (can't recall which). Oh and in case you plan to claim to have missed it, I'll quote Seon's statement for you.
Everyone should reread the update where Renata was killed. There was evidence that an explosive went off, but the flak vest protected her from it. What's more important is that both the saboteurs and the rogues tried to kill her. In other words, both were threatened by her.
Just a thought, the killer I'm accused of being has only killed twice this whole game, so technically (according to the show NCIS), that's not a serial killer.
This is something people should be asking themselves. Earthling states above that he's not claiming I'm one of the saboteurs, yet he's really focusing on me. Seems like he's doing an awful lot of work to keep everyone's focus off of the saboteurs. After all, isn't the saboteurs the ones that could cause us to lose this game? I was offered a ride off the ship, yet I stayed, which implies I need to either remove the wolves or reach port, just like everyone else.
I'm just curious why Earthling is trying to remove everyone's focus from removing the wolves, especially when he himself doesn't believe me to be one.
@Everyone: Let's lynch robbiecon and the items that help repair stuff should be voted to a repairman who doesn't currently have an item that grants them a bonus to repair.
According to the dictionary app on my Mac a serial killer is defined as someone who has killed three or more people.
If you need repairmen you can always promote people, y'know. Youare the Captain of this ship after all.
But that's IRL. In NotW a Serial Killer is a one-man anti-town. Stop your sophistry!
Izipo
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Robbiecon has admitted privately and in thread that he's not a repairman, so why would he have repair items ? If my understanding is correct, repairmen are in short supply by now, hardly able to keep up with the extensive damage done by the @#$!& minefield. With all the inactive players, I see this ship going downhill fast.
What will happen when we reach insurgents waters ?
At best, we get attacked. If that's the case, then maybe our defensive systems (Aegis and Thunderfall) will finally find their use.
Worst case scenario is insurgents claiming the ship and the NUCLEAR WARHEADS and then, game over for the innocents.
You can say that's speculation, and you'd be right, but that's the way I see it.
When I look at the roster (discounting inactive players), I have the feeling that despite our recent victory over the rogues, the balance is now in favour of the insurgents.
We had a chance to get back the navigation override card yesterday, and yet nothing happened and it seems like the problem has been forgotten today.
A day and a half left, guys! Think about it.
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I think we should give up on getting the navigation card back. If robbiecon is a saboteur like most of us think he is, then there is no way we are going to see it again before its too late. Who knows, maybe he'll give it up, but at this point that is the best case scenario and we should be preparing for the worst. The worst being that we all get killed if we end up in insurgent land. I think we are going to have to kill off all the saboteurs in a day and a half.
These are the people I think are mostly likely to be saboteurs:
BSmith1068
choxorn
classical_hero
DaveShack
Duke Blackstone
robbiecon
Takhisis
I'd say that we have the chance to elimnate 4 or 5 of these people over the next two days. If there is any evidence to prove one of these people innocent that would help even more.
These are the people I think are mostly likely to be saboteurs:
BSmith1068
choxorn
classical_hero
DaveShack
Duke Blackstone
robbiecon
Takhisis
I'd say that we have the chance to elimnate 4 or 5 of these people over the next two days. If there is any evidence to prove one of these people innocent that would help even more.
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Yeah, I personally don't know too much about these people so that's part of it. The other part is the voting on the short or the long route that one day, as well as yesterday's vote.
Backwards Logic
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End Morning Phase Ten, Start Midday Phase Ten
Journal Entry Number Twenty-Nine. 13:00 shipboard time.
With the ship continuing on toward insurgent waters, the air began to fill with panic as the crew tried to figure out how to reverse the ship’s heading. Accusations began to fly, once again at robbiecon once news came out of his murderous past, but also at the ship’s own Captain Methos for his role in killing two sailors. Robbiecon led the votes at midday, but it could change as most votes were placed under the assumption he would not give up the Navigation Override Card he apparently currently held. The item votes were also largely ignored for the first half of the day. Ultimately, the crew seemed indecisive at best with what course of action to pursue and it was likely things would change before the end of the day.
There were two bits of good news. For once, the ship miraculously missed hitting a mine despite the fact they still were in booby-trapped waters. The second bit was the announcement of Earthling’s promotion to Autolycus’s now vacant Chief Warrant Officer Three position. It was good to see the leadership return and important positions starting to be filled again. At a time like this where time was ticking away, any sort of leadership was undoubtedly welcomed.
New Rank Hierarchy:
Vote Tally:
Execution:
robbiecon: 5
Methos: 3
Assault Rifle:
Earthling: 1
Key to the Armory:
No votes so far.
Nuclear Launch Key “B”:
No votes so far
Key to the CIC:
No votes so far
Portable Compressed Air Rig:
BSmith1068: 1
Thunderfall Missile Codes:
No votes so far
Swiss Army Knife:
Seon: 1
Takhisis: 1
Voting Still Open.
Quick Notes:
Deadline for all voting is 23 hours from this post!
Journal Entry Number Twenty-Nine. 13:00 shipboard time.
With the ship continuing on toward insurgent waters, the air began to fill with panic as the crew tried to figure out how to reverse the ship’s heading. Accusations began to fly, once again at robbiecon once news came out of his murderous past, but also at the ship’s own Captain Methos for his role in killing two sailors. Robbiecon led the votes at midday, but it could change as most votes were placed under the assumption he would not give up the Navigation Override Card he apparently currently held. The item votes were also largely ignored for the first half of the day. Ultimately, the crew seemed indecisive at best with what course of action to pursue and it was likely things would change before the end of the day.
There were two bits of good news. For once, the ship miraculously missed hitting a mine despite the fact they still were in booby-trapped waters. The second bit was the announcement of Earthling’s promotion to Autolycus’s now vacant Chief Warrant Officer Three position. It was good to see the leadership return and important positions starting to be filled again. At a time like this where time was ticking away, any sort of leadership was undoubtedly welcomed.
~~~
New Rank Hierarchy:
Vote Tally:
Execution:
robbiecon: 5
Methos: 3
Assault Rifle:
Earthling: 1
Key to the Armory:
No votes so far.
Nuclear Launch Key “B”:
No votes so far
Key to the CIC:
No votes so far
Portable Compressed Air Rig:
BSmith1068: 1
Thunderfall Missile Codes:
No votes so far
Swiss Army Knife:
Seon: 1
Takhisis: 1
Voting Still Open.
- Execution votes in Bold
- Vote for the Assault Rifle in Dark Red.
- Vote for the Key to the Armory in Red.
- Vote for the Nuclear Launch Key “B” in Dark Orange.
- Vote for the Key to the CIC in Sienna.
- Vote for the Portable Compressed Air Rig in Blue.
- Vote for the Thunderfall Missile Launch Codes in Purple.
- Vote for the Swiss Army Knife in Gray.
Quick Notes:
- Earthling promoted to the vacant Chief Warrant Officer, Three position.
- Damage Report: None for this phase.
- Over/Under Number is 3.
Deadline for all voting is 23 hours from this post!
"Thanks for the promotion sirs. I will fulfill the duties of this assignment to my best capabilities."
Well everyone, I'm thinking we should execute Methos today. He's a known non-Innocent so it's very easy for us to stomach and even more worrisomely isn't even behaving like just a neutral survivalist - I'd really be interested to see what he turns up as and that there isn't a third scum faction to deal with here.
Alternatively we could execute CCRunner, who is pretty much certain to be a scum. But it's going to be an execution of one of those two. As in, I'm going to make sure of it or a lot of people will be very unhappy and I'll be pursuing a course to abandon ship otherwise, done messing around here.
Robbiecon has returned the Navigation Card and we can use it tonight to turn the ship back on course. Plus he's clearly not any one of at least three people who were doing sabotage or killings last night. The case just doesn't add up and I'm not willing to go off of a possibly faulty or false scan result when we have known non-Innocents to get rid of. The only possible way robbiecon could be a killer is if he was given a bomb and exploded Nictel or Kennigit, and there's no evidence to either of that while there's at least evidence in what we know what robbiecon's been doing at night for a long time and it's been cooperative and pro-Innocent.
"My suggestion though is for robbiecon is to leave the ship by helicopter tonight. "
It's too late for Methos obviously, not a problem by me, but we might as well continue to follow up on this avenue and I think robbiecon is a great call. Even if he is a saboteur he would be executed tomorrow if he doesn't do this. If Innocent he's not in an important spot nor is his ability that critical anymore nor does he do repairs, so hopefully he'd take up an offer like this to survive and no one would think less of him. Takhisis we need you to agree to this as well, preferably if both of you could be onboard for a helicopter mission tonight that can really help us lock in the execution today.
The following matters still should be addressed, besides sprig's bomb but as Methos continues to lie I doubt we'll make headway on that. (we all know Renata was hit by a claymore, that's why she was using the flak jacket, not a saboteur attack, nice try. And I don't think it's true Renata ever had sprig's bomb either)
-CCRunner once again did not do repairs last night. Why didn't you do repairs, again? I'm pretty sure he just lied once more and is still sabotaging or killing people but we can't let this go unaddressed. The only possibility is that Autolycus was killed before he got to do his own repairs in the Pump Room but that doesn't make sense with any prior killing, and furthermore we'd at least need evidence CCRunner too was supposed to be in the Pump Room. If he wasn't in the Pump Room, he didn't do repairs at all, and the numbers already don't add up for CCRunner, they add up to Autolycus and our other known repairman being there.
-The business of an alignment scanner is terrible. Come talk to me, or rhawn, or someone Innocent if you exist and are Innocent. In particular, I think we ought to know why such a scanner has been inactive the whole time, and why you chose to go talk to Seon, Methos, and CCRunner of all people. Also, why you didn't reveal before when you scanned CCRunner or anyone else as "evil." Honestly it's terribly wrong that some scanner out there scanned CCRunner as evil days ago, possibly others too, and has been working with Seon of all people and this never went anywhere. Given that again, CCRunner, Seon, and choxorn are all top saboteur suspects this and the votes today look really bad, we have to take control of the situation.
On items - we need more votes anyway, here are my proposals though:
Choxorn should take the CIC key and go in through the front door tonight, and just do a broad search of the room. We need choxorn to be accounted for again.
I'll hold onto the thunderfall codes and launch key B.
Swiss army knife to Izipo, air rig to classical_hero
Armory key to rhawn, it would be great if we can get more ammo or arms for another vig kill and he's already got some weapons, maybe something more could work.
Well everyone, I'm thinking we should execute Methos today. He's a known non-Innocent so it's very easy for us to stomach and even more worrisomely isn't even behaving like just a neutral survivalist - I'd really be interested to see what he turns up as and that there isn't a third scum faction to deal with here.
Alternatively we could execute CCRunner, who is pretty much certain to be a scum. But it's going to be an execution of one of those two. As in, I'm going to make sure of it or a lot of people will be very unhappy and I'll be pursuing a course to abandon ship otherwise, done messing around here.
Robbiecon has returned the Navigation Card and we can use it tonight to turn the ship back on course. Plus he's clearly not any one of at least three people who were doing sabotage or killings last night. The case just doesn't add up and I'm not willing to go off of a possibly faulty or false scan result when we have known non-Innocents to get rid of. The only possible way robbiecon could be a killer is if he was given a bomb and exploded Nictel or Kennigit, and there's no evidence to either of that while there's at least evidence in what we know what robbiecon's been doing at night for a long time and it's been cooperative and pro-Innocent.
"My suggestion though is for robbiecon is to leave the ship by helicopter tonight. "
It's too late for Methos obviously, not a problem by me, but we might as well continue to follow up on this avenue and I think robbiecon is a great call. Even if he is a saboteur he would be executed tomorrow if he doesn't do this. If Innocent he's not in an important spot nor is his ability that critical anymore nor does he do repairs, so hopefully he'd take up an offer like this to survive and no one would think less of him. Takhisis we need you to agree to this as well, preferably if both of you could be onboard for a helicopter mission tonight that can really help us lock in the execution today.
The following matters still should be addressed, besides sprig's bomb but as Methos continues to lie I doubt we'll make headway on that. (we all know Renata was hit by a claymore, that's why she was using the flak jacket, not a saboteur attack, nice try. And I don't think it's true Renata ever had sprig's bomb either)
-CCRunner once again did not do repairs last night. Why didn't you do repairs, again? I'm pretty sure he just lied once more and is still sabotaging or killing people but we can't let this go unaddressed. The only possibility is that Autolycus was killed before he got to do his own repairs in the Pump Room but that doesn't make sense with any prior killing, and furthermore we'd at least need evidence CCRunner too was supposed to be in the Pump Room. If he wasn't in the Pump Room, he didn't do repairs at all, and the numbers already don't add up for CCRunner, they add up to Autolycus and our other known repairman being there.
-The business of an alignment scanner is terrible. Come talk to me, or rhawn, or someone Innocent if you exist and are Innocent. In particular, I think we ought to know why such a scanner has been inactive the whole time, and why you chose to go talk to Seon, Methos, and CCRunner of all people. Also, why you didn't reveal before when you scanned CCRunner or anyone else as "evil." Honestly it's terribly wrong that some scanner out there scanned CCRunner as evil days ago, possibly others too, and has been working with Seon of all people and this never went anywhere. Given that again, CCRunner, Seon, and choxorn are all top saboteur suspects this and the votes today look really bad, we have to take control of the situation.
On items - we need more votes anyway, here are my proposals though:
Choxorn should take the CIC key and go in through the front door tonight, and just do a broad search of the room. We need choxorn to be accounted for again.
I'll hold onto the thunderfall codes and launch key B.
Swiss army knife to Izipo, air rig to classical_hero
Armory key to rhawn, it would be great if we can get more ammo or arms for another vig kill and he's already got some weapons, maybe something more could work.
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That's amazing news that we got the navigation override back. Now we are in much better striaghts. Also, being "evil" doesn't mean you can't be innocent. I'm evil and innocent for instance.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
OOC: I was once the organizer, and I once decided to execute a neutral murderer and a confessed serial killer. True, the town eventually won that game, but it would have been much more expedient if I had spared the neutral murderer. In another game, I was on the receiving side of the town's paranoia. I definitely will not permit myself nor anybody else to make the same darn mistake now.
I highly doubt that CCrunner is a guilty man. He is evil, and TFA, the saboteur, confessed to be Good before he died. In addition, I can confirm that from the results, Winston Hughes and Renata were all evil.
And if you forgot, CCrunner is Whitower's son. There is little to no chance that he is actually a saboteur. Rogue maybe, but all the rogues are dead.
If that is true, and since Robbiecon is definitely not inactive, why hasn't he made a defense on the supposed "killing" he did?
Unless Robbiecon can make a satisfactory answer upon what exactly he did that counted as "killing," my votes stay exactly where it is.
Your defense on robbiecon has caught my interest, by the way. If I remember, yesterday near the end, you said something along the line of...
Spoiler :
Where is your willingness to lynch robbiecon now?
OOC: Disagreed in this case. In most NotW I have played in, the identity of the escapees are not revealed. In one NotW, I was the pilot. I escaped with one another player, only for him to turn out to be one of the wolves. And only I knew.
Although getting people off the boat to alleviate suspiscion on a POTENTIAL candidate is fine, robbiecon has been scanned to be a Killer, a statement unlikely to be a lie despite its source. He MUST be executed today to validate Methos's claims. I can provide a logic map to prove that this is the safest route.
Spoiler :
Oh, now that is interesting.
I don't think so, boy
. I have been trying to contact him for 2 days, and I am a close friend of the guy 
Well yes, because robbiecon is not necessarily a scum. That's why we should execute Methos at the least today, if we can't stomach going for another person who may turn out to be Innocent, we KNOW Methos is not.
And CCRunner, the numbers don't add up to you doing repairs in the Pump Room unless we have other evidence to corroborate that. So it was worth bringing to the public attention, it still looks like we are missing a repairman. You would have done what, 20% at least, maybe 30%? Our other repairmen would have done 90% and 10% flooding damage adds up exactly to what we can see now. Plus you implied last night you weren't assigned to the Pump Room anyway and we haven't heard from anyone with the definite schedule from last night.
Seon, most everything you posted is based on very false assumptions and you're wrong, so I'll cut you off there. Methos didn't scan robbiecon. Everything you've said on that "reasoning" is invalid. The source is our known inaccurate scanner and I've known about it since the start of Morning Phase too, I'm just not willing to follow up on that when we have other indication of robbiecon's Innocence and the accusers of robbiecon all seem guilty.
You also again seem to be forgetting the Innocent victory condition, as you did once before today. We'd have to execute Methos after the saboteurs are dead anyway unless we expect to make it back to port, but that's not going to happen at this rate so it'd have to be "eliminate all threats."
You also again seem to be forgetting the Innocent victory condition, as you did once before today. We'd have to execute Methos after the saboteurs are dead anyway unless we expect to make it back to port, but that's not going to happen at this rate so it'd have to be "eliminate all threats."
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
I also added in possibility that Methos lied about robbiecon in the logic map. Just because I personally discounted it doesn't mean that I also didn't consider it. Maybe I caught you quick reading too?
What would you do if you were a saboteur and other townies were raising hell about them lynching you if you didn't hand over the navigation card?
I have yet to see evidence that Methos is counted as a "threat."
No, you don't seem to be understanding why nothing you said is worth anything. Whatever robbiecon is doesn't validate anything about Methos, because Methos didn't scan robbiecon nor does it indicate Methos' abilities or goals. And really whatever Methos is (though we know he is a neutral-ish foreigner) doesn't indicate much about robbiecon either.
However I should say I would accept flying you off the ship tonight if you're serious about hat, you need to be gone, whether by that, vig-kill, or execution. If Takhisis would do it I've got nothing against that as a plan either.
As for the Nav Card, it seems extremely unlikely robbiecon would give that back if a saboteur, they would just pass it to an ally before they were lynched so it wouldn't come up to vote. As for why I would have gone with an execution yesterday, it's because after reasoning over what robbiecon is/does and risks involved an execution would have been better than nothing as we're clearly seeing today - I would be fine if we killed or otherwise got rid of just about everyone except a few Innocents, as quickly as possible. But that's a tangent - the good news about the Nav Card is that it will directly allow us to turn the ship around, I don't see any way a saboteur would hand over the item, just like a Rogue would have done with a nuclear launch key - they wouldn't ever give it back.
However I should say I would accept flying you off the ship tonight if you're serious about hat, you need to be gone, whether by that, vig-kill, or execution. If Takhisis would do it I've got nothing against that as a plan either.
As for the Nav Card, it seems extremely unlikely robbiecon would give that back if a saboteur, they would just pass it to an ally before they were lynched so it wouldn't come up to vote. As for why I would have gone with an execution yesterday, it's because after reasoning over what robbiecon is/does and risks involved an execution would have been better than nothing as we're clearly seeing today - I would be fine if we killed or otherwise got rid of just about everyone except a few Innocents, as quickly as possible. But that's a tangent - the good news about the Nav Card is that it will directly allow us to turn the ship around, I don't see any way a saboteur would hand over the item, just like a Rogue would have done with a nuclear launch key - they wouldn't ever give it back.
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