New DLC at August: Korea ()
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ShahJahanII
Homesick Alien
Nicolas Copernicus was a Polish astronomer that thought of helio-centrism.
Now before the mods close this thread, back to the topic.
Korea has had a big scientific influence in recent decades and has been inovative through history.
They would be a great science civ.
ShahJahanII
Homesick Alien
Thank you! I'm Polish, here, have a virtual cookie.
Now back to the main topic...
Maybe there won't be an actual Scenario with Korea? like with Babylon? Well, Babylon is half-DLC.
Babylon was released with Mongolia, so they don't count as not having a scenario.
ShahJahanII
Homesick Alien
Maybe it won't be a "Korea" scenario, but something involving Korea but the map extends a lot further out and has much more civs to play as...
crossmr
Warlord
You're obsessed with the mods closing the topic. People are just giving evidence to support their opinions, there is no need to start writing in a giant font.
The point is that there isn't that much evidence to suggest they've been significantly more innovative than other random nations, so why the big science bonus?
Being very education focused in the last 30 years hardly defines a civilization.
ShahJahanII
Homesick Alien
Just saying...
Lets remember that Korea isn't exactly a great place to live naturally.
Sure its okay now with the buildings and all, but naturally, its very mountainous with a few valleys and plains here and there.
Their level of innovation is something to be applauded.
See this
crossmr
Warlord
People have lived naturally here for thousands of years. There are all kinds of climates all over the world, many far harsher than this.
and again, a recent achievement doesn't make a life-time for a civilization.
The reason they're getting that huge economic growth was because of what I spoke of earlier. They like to get things done fast, which is why they should be getting a production bonus.
In fact Koreans even have a term for it: 빨리빨리 문화, it means "quick quick culture". It is a common highlighted search term on Naver, their big in country search engine.
ShahJahanII
Homesick Alien
Production bonus is good too, I never said no to that.
Just a suggestion, but a production based civ would also balance things out.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Well Civ4 traits were literally for the character not the Civilization, so that shoots down that theory right there. If you find Civ5 less epic, it's probably for other reasons.
My point is you can't find one ability that matches all of a Civ's history with maybe a couple of exceptions.
While I'm indifferent to Poland, the thought did cross my mind that it could be at least an arguably scientific civ. I wouldn't make it that, but there's at least an argument (out of the broadest list of potential Civs, Poland is on that list). Modern Korea has a reputation for scientific achievement. We need another science Civ. Korea seems good enough for that. It was scientific in Civ3 afterall. Let's just wait and see what they do.
Well, one ability per civilization. Leader and ability are not connected.
Lose
King
http://www.civ3.com/ptw_prof_koreans.cfm#
this is interesting how in civ 3 they replaced cannons with hwacha. this is actually not that bad...
this is interesting how in civ 3 they replaced cannons with hwacha. this is actually not that bad...
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Yeah, a civ doesn't have to be scientific for all of its history to get the scientific trait in Civ. What civ was scientific throughout all of history? Europe? No way during the Dark Ages. Arabia? They stagnated, even though they had a huge lead in tech over Europe. China? Civil wars and the burning of books took care of scientific progress, and we all know how shoddy many things made in China are...
The fact of the matter is, Korea is portrayed as scientific and commercial/financial in previous Civ games because of modern Korea's high literacy and fervor for education and growth. Having King Sejong be a bit more science/culture/defense oriented is just fine. He was the Enlightenment king of Korea basically--encouraging scientists, artists and warriors alike. Maybe having each specialist give +1 production and +1 science when settled (bonus increases in later ages), and some Golden Age related bonus? Or defensive buildings produce faster and give science + culture. *shrug* We'll find out when we find out I guess.
I bet the Imjin Wars/Three Kingdoms period of Korea will be the scenario.
The fact of the matter is, Korea is portrayed as scientific and commercial/financial in previous Civ games because of modern Korea's high literacy and fervor for education and growth. Having King Sejong be a bit more science/culture/defense oriented is just fine. He was the Enlightenment king of Korea basically--encouraging scientists, artists and warriors alike. Maybe having each specialist give +1 production and +1 science when settled (bonus increases in later ages), and some Golden Age related bonus? Or defensive buildings produce faster and give science + culture. *shrug* We'll find out when we find out I guess.
I bet the Imjin Wars/Three Kingdoms period of Korea will be the scenario.
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Accidental double post, please delete.
Lose
King
I bet the Imjin Wars/Three Kingdoms period of Korea will be the scenario.
thats what I was thinking, but do you think it will be to similar to the vikings scenario?
The hwacha was effective against enemies in tight formations and was used defensively.
So if the hwacha attacks an unit which is surrounded by other units in adjacent hexes, the hwacha should get a 15% bonus PER each surrounding unit (for a potential total 90% bonus)
If they would reintroduce stacking, it could just have a bonus against stacked units.
The hwacha should also get a 50% bonus when it is inside your territory.
So if the hwacha attacks an unit which is surrounded by other units in adjacent hexes, the hwacha should get a 15% bonus PER each surrounding unit (for a potential total 90% bonus)
If they would reintroduce stacking, it could just have a bonus against stacked units.
The hwacha should also get a 50% bonus when it is inside your territory.
The UA should be a 100% bonus to all units attacking/defending within your territory and a 20% penalty when outside your territory.
( teh should also make a civ with the reverse UA: 50% bonus outside your territory and 50% penalty inside your territory)
( teh should also make a civ with the reverse UA: 50% bonus outside your territory and 50% penalty inside your territory)
Lol. Japan as well as many other countries have a much harsher natural environment than Korea ever has. The Korean peninsula is a dream in comparison to Japan.
As far as rising to 2nd in the world in GDP per capita in 2050, that's extremely doubtful. The Korean media will always pick up on 1 positive story written by foreigners and ignore 10 negative ones.
With a rapidly aging population, an extremely low birthrate as well as a negligible immigration into the country, who is going to pay the taxes exactly? In fact, the population of South Korea is estimated to drop to 42 million (from the 49 million now) by 2050 and have the oldest average populace in the world.
Plus, if the reunification of the two Koreas ever happens, their GDP per capita is going to sink like a stone. It'd take decades just to recover from that to the level they are now.
Finally, if you think oil prices are high now, just wait until 2050. For a country that has virtually no oil resources and isn't investing much in alternative energy sources, that's troubling to say the least.
All in all, I wouldn't put much weight (or money for that matter) into Goldman Sach's prediction.
Yeah, a civ doesn't have to be scientific for all of its history to get the scientific trait in Civ. What civ was scientific throughout all of history? Europe? No way during the Dark Ages. Arabia? They stagnated, even though they had a huge lead in tech over Europe. China? Civil wars and the burning of books took care of scientific progress, and we all know how shoddy many things made in China are...
The fact of the matter is, Korea is portrayed as scientific and commercial/financial in previous Civ games because of modern Korea's high literacy and fervor for education and growth. Having King Sejong be a bit more science/culture/defense oriented is just fine. He was the Enlightenment king of Korea basically--encouraging scientists, artists and warriors alike. Maybe having each specialist give +1 production and +1 science when settled (bonus increases in later ages), and some Golden Age related bonus? Or defensive buildings produce faster and give science + culture. *shrug* We'll find out when we find out I guess.
I bet the Imjin Wars/Three Kingdoms period of Korea will be the scenario.
Are you seriously trying to downplay China's scientific prowess while trying to pump up Korea's?
Your justification being that China makes poor quality products nowadays?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Even though the Arabs may have stagnated, their list of inventions and scientific accomplishments dwarf those of Korea.
http://teachislam.com/dmdocuments/History/Muslim%20Scientific%20Inventions.pdf
In fact, you could make a solid argument for Korea being in the bottom 5 as far as Civ rankings scientific wise, for Civs found in Civilization 5 to date.
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TheMarshmallowBear
Benelovent Chieftain of the Ursu Kingdom
Here's an intresting thought.. will they remove SEOUL as the Cultured City-State? and replace it with a new town?
TopGearFanatic
Duke of St. Louis
They could remove Seoul and add St. Louis!
Lose
King
yeah i was curious about this too.. maybe cuba or an African cs(zulu)?
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