SGOTM 15 - Unusual Suspects

AAA · Jan 27, 2012

ANDDDDDDDD, here's where we are now

Spoiler :

I deviated from Guru's flight plan to avoid a lion. The lion is currently due east of the SE corn.
Sorry about the lion about to eat Drona

Now what exactly do I do with all the logs and saves?

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

Copy and paste the logs into the forum. Upload the final save to the status page. Keep all the saves in case there are questions.

:goodjob:

Rusten · Jan 27, 2012

Seems Neil has done his utmost to make culture VC something to consider, but I find it hard to believe that it can beat a well done domination/conquest. To me this start suggests early REX and develop great lands. If we are to attack it would be after wonders like the Oracle and with some higher tech units. Horse Archers could be one way, they are excellent for normal speed. [This would not be for non-stop war (yet) -- just to take out 1 AI for more land]

With all the good land (rivers and resources) it should be possible to research very, very fast meaning quick cuirassiers/cavalry.

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Religious is still possible, but it will not be as cheesy/easy as usual assuming everybody's Toku. One would have to conquer a bit to make good enough friends, can't simply spread the religion to everyone and start the vote.

I never play with AGG AI, but in the back of my mind there's a memory of the player starting at -1 relations towards AI compared to usual. Is this the case? Might've been changed in BtS (or not been the case at all).

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Clearly we want a city 1SW of the new gold. Goes well with the capital BFC.

Trystero · Jan 27, 2012

Good job, AAA :goodjob:

The last save is uploaded to the GOTM submission page: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/submit/civ4sgotm.php

After you upload the save, it will give you a log, you can copy and post in the thread. The autolog should be in your Buffy folder, I think. (I'm at work and can't check my computer)

My first thought is that hill 1W of the corn might be a good spot for a blocking city, but I'll have to look more carefully when I get home.

Rusten · Jan 27, 2012

Trystero said:
My first thought is that hill 1W of the corn might be a good spot for a blocking city, but I'll have to look more carefully when I get home.

We need gold in initial BFC, I still say 1E of gold is easy choice, especially now that it also gains corn.

Furthermore there's no need to think blocking, we have so much space to grab, and sooner or later either we will attack Japan or Japan will attack us (agg AI and differing religions).

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

I like 1E gold too. The question I have about blocking is "do either of the AI have anywhere else to expand?" It looks to me like the Japanese Tokugawa's capital is on the mountain border. It wouldn't surprise me if the Babylonian Hammuragawa is similarly boxed in by the mountains. If the only place they have to send settlers is directly toward us, then we do need to think about blocking.

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

Screen shot requests:

* zoom out for entire map, with resource bubbles turned on
* Bollywood city screen
* Top 5 Cities/Wonders screen

Trystero · Jan 27, 2012

Yeah, looking at it more carefully, 1E of the gold gets more hills (5 vs. 2). That would be a much better production city. OK -I'm convinced.

SteelHorse · Jan 27, 2012

Rush for now looks bleak.
IMO - blocking cities is #1 priority, then filling in the open land. Not sure if BW for chop and whip is better than AH for pastures. Copper for axes is better for defense than horse for chariot in most cases.
How long do we think we have before we become worst enemies and risk attack?

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

I suspect the Toku's are cornered and we will be worst enemies right away. We should certainly plan as if that's a possibility.

Trystero · Jan 27, 2012

Should we consider keeping the warriors by the Japanese border to grab any settlers headed to the gold/sheep site?

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

Trystero said:
Should we consider keeping the warriors by the Japanese border to grab any settlers headed to the gold/sheep site?

One of them needs to return to escort the settler. The other should definitely hang out and hope for a good opportunity.

We might need another warrior for the NW passage if Drona fails to kill the lion.

SteelHorse · Jan 27, 2012

Any thought on the hill 1W of the corn. Better defense? More forests. Still gets gold and sheep after border pop. work corn chop monument?

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

I like 1W of corn also. With good riverside tiles, we might hope for religion spread from the capital holy city rather than chopping a monument?

So much to consider! Maybe we should plan a mini turnset that runs until we get the settler produced?

Xcalibrator · Jan 27, 2012

Worker steal looking possible--camp out both warriors on the hill NW of the sheep and wait (but not so long that borders expand). Grab the worker, then send him home and move both warriors onto the forest hill NE of the sheep. Toku would be attacking across the river, too--we could hold out for quite awhile, making him waste units, slowing development, and blocking him from expanding west.

Good work, AAA! :goodjob:

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

Xcalibrator said:
Worker steal looking possible--camp out both warriors on the hill NW of the sheep and wait (but not so long that borders expand). Grab the worker, then send him home and move both warriors onto the forest hill NE of the sheep.

One of those warriors must return to escort the settler. Also, :goodjob:

AAA!

Xcalibrator · Jan 27, 2012

Since I won't have time tonight to update the test game, would someone else like to do it? If not, I'll do it tomorrow. Any subtle tricks to know about when adding AI cities? Getting Toku's capital city culture right so it pops its borders at the correct time will be tricky. Can we put a monument or something in it? (I've only ever tweaked tile terrain before.)

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

The best way is to update the map with the old test game, save as a WorldBuilder, copy the file to the scenarios folder, start a new scenario, and replay all the turns since 4000BC. To simulate experience gains, I use WorldBuilder to place weak wolves to attack the warriors on high defense tiles.

In this case, you also have to open the save in WorldBuilder mode at 4000 BC and add the AI staring cities with religion. Then, reopen on turn 3 and delete the extra AI settlers before they can found new cities.

Deckhand · Jan 27, 2012

Trystero said:
Should we consider keeping the warriors by the Japanese border to grab any settlers headed to the gold/sheep site?

The settler will be escorted by an archer; would 2 warriors be enough?

ChrisShaffer said:
One of those warriors must return to escort the settler. Also, AAA!

Or we could build another warrior while growing the city if we want to commit to a worker/settler steal (and delay 2nd city).

ChrisShaffer · Jan 27, 2012

Deckhand said:
The settler will be escorted by an archer; would 2 warriors be enough?

Or we could build another warrior while growing the city if we want to commit to a worker/settler steal (and delay 2nd city).

I don't think two warriors could take a settler away from a protective archer. I also don't think it's wise to delay the second city.

I do think we should be opportunistic about stealing a worker, but that only takes one warrior.

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