SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

Awesome, makes up for the last Trireme. :)

The answer is NO to SB. We can get +4 fair trade by donating a tech, so we can afford to take a -1 refuse tribute.

edit, turn research rate to 100% and keep it there so we have no gold.
 
Just in case you guys didn't see. SB demanded. I feel like refusing, since we want astro. I'm really sorry. Probably should have not run binary since then we wouldn't have the gold. But then he might have just demanded a tech. The guys kind of a prick. Also, he can't reach us for aaaaages since he has no boats.
 
neilmeister said:
Awesome, makes up for the last Trireme. :)

The answer is NO to SB. We can get +4 fair trade by donating a tech, so we can afford to take a -1 refuse tribute.

edit, turn research rate to 100% and keep it there so we have no gold.
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Sounds good to me!
 
Welcome Hammurabi!

1) Founder of Judaism
2) Worst enemy of Saladin
3) Cautious with us (+1 peace, -2 heathen)
4) Pleased with SB.
5) Has: Drama, Music, HBR, Consturction (the only one he'll trade)
6) Wants: Calendar, Currency, Compass, Machinery
 
Benginal said:
Welcome Hammurabi!

1) Founder of Judaism
2) Worst enemy of Saladin
3) Cautious with us (+1 peace, -2 heathen)
4) Pleased with SB.
5) Has: Drama, Music, HBR, Consturction (the only one he'll trade)
6) Wants: Calendar, Currency, Compass, Machinery
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Hammurabi, that is great news, as he loves Beauro. :goodjob:

And that is great news that he is willing to trade Construction!! Glad we didn;t target Music!

Have you sold Lit to Ramesses yet?

Not sure if the 10 turns have passed since Ramesses & Brennus got peace, but keep checking to see if Brennus can be bribed into war with Ramesses. (edit: don't do it though obviously, just see if its possible and how much it might cost)
 
Hmm..trading for construction. That's great! And the mapmaker was indeed cruel by changing his bowmen to archers :lol:
 
Don't trade just yet, as there is no rush.

Wait for Astro, and we can then assess what trades we can do.
 
And QIN, yay, he loves Beuro too.
 
End of 139 - Beginning of 144

BUFFY:

Spoiler :

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 139/500 (580 AD) [05-Nov-2012 16:58:05]
Clams begins: Courthouse (10 turns)
0% Research: 15 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
100% Gold: 87 per turn, 16 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in GP Farm
The whip was applied in West Fish
The whip was applied in Barb City
The whip was applied in Zhou
The whip was applied in Fake Humbaba
GP Farm finishes: Trireme
Production grows to size 10
Commerce grows to size 11
Clams grows to size 9
West Fish grows to size 5
West Fish finishes: Harbor
Barb City grows to size 7
Barb City finishes: Courthouse
Zhou grows to size 4
Zhou finishes: Courthouse
Fake Humbaba finishes: Granary

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Ramesses II(Egypt) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'

Turn 140/500 (600 AD) [05-Nov-2012 17:05:39]
Player contact made: Saladin of Arabia
GP Farm begins: Buddhist Temple (20 turns)
GP Farm begins: Buddhist Temple (20 turns)
Production begins: Barracks (3 turns)
0% Research: 15 per turn
0% Espionage: 8 per turn
100% Gold: 103 per turn, 103 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Production
The whip was applied in Clams
The whip was applied in Wheat
Paris finishes: Buddhist Monastery
A Hamlet was built near Paris
GP Farm grows to size 7
Production finishes: Courthouse
A Village was built near Commerce
Clams finishes: Courthouse
Barb City finishes: Archer
Zhou grows to size 5
Fake Humbaba grows to size 2
Wheat finishes: Granary

Other Player Actions:
While defending in French territory near GP Farm, Trireme 4 (GP Farm) (1.40/2) defeats Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 95.6%)

Turn 141/500 (620 AD) [05-Nov-2012 17:33:28]
Diplomacy: Brennus (Celtia) offers to trade Construction to Louis XIV (France) for Metal Casting
Diplomacy: Louis XIV (France) rejects trade of Metal Casting to Brennus (Celtia) for Construction
Paris begins: Buddhist Missionary (4 turns)
Clams begins: Crossbowman (6 turns)
Barb City begins: Barracks (5 turns)
A Mine was built near West Fish
Confucianism has spread: Paris
0% Research: 15 per turn
0% Espionage: 12 per turn
100% Gold: 113 per turn, 250 in the bank

After End Turn:
Production grows to size 9
Clams grows to size 8
West Fish grows to size 6
Barb City grows to size 8
West Coast Silk grows to size 4

Other Player Actions:
While defending in French territory near GP Farm, Trireme 4 (GP Farm) (1.06/2) defeats Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 71.4%)

Turn 142/500 (640 AD) [05-Nov-2012 17:45:28]
Diplomacy (Tribute Demand): Sitting Bull (Native America) demands that Louis XIV (France) gives Gold (310); Louis XIV REFUSES.
A Cottage was built near Commerce
100% Research: 330 per turn
0% Espionage: 12 per turn
0% Gold: -154 per turn, 363 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in West Coast Silk
A Hamlet was built near Paris
Production finishes: Barracks
Commerce grows to size 12
West Coast Silk grows to size 3
West Coast Silk finishes: Courthouse
Wheat grows to size 2

Turn 143/500 (660 AD) [05-Nov-2012 17:55:24]
Production begins: Crossbowman (4 turns)
West Coast Silk begins: Lighthouse (9 turns)
A Plantation was built
Player contact made: Hammurabi of Babylon


Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 143/500 (660 AD) [05-Nov-2012 18:50:18]
A Fishing Boats was built near Red Fish Blue F
A Fishing Boats was built near Red Fish Blue F
100% Research: 334 per turn
0% Espionage: 14 per turn
0% Gold: -151 per turn, 209 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Astronomy
Paris grows to size 10
GP Farm grows to size 8
A Hamlet was built near Commerce
Wheat finishes: Forge

Turn 144/500 (680 AD) [05-Nov-2012 18:56:28]
Research begun: Civil Service (3 Turns)
Wheat begins: Barracks (13 turns)
Player contact made: Qin Shi Huang of China
Research begun: Construction (3 Turns)
Research begun: Engineering (3 Turns)
Research begun: Paper (3 Turns)
Research begun: Education (3 Turns)
Research begun: Civil Service (3 Turns)



AlanH's:

Spoiler :
Turn 139, 580 AD: You have trained a Trireme in GP Farm. Work has now begun on a Harbor.
Turn 139, 580 AD: You have constructed a Harbor in West Fish. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 139, 580 AD: You have constructed a Courthouse in Barb City. Work has now begun on a Archer.
Turn 139, 580 AD: You have constructed a Courthouse in Zhou. Work has now begun on Moai Statues.
Turn 139, 580 AD: You have constructed a Granary in Fake Humbaba. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 139, 580 AD: Ramesses II adopts Caste System!

Turn 140, 600 AD: You have constructed a Courthouse in Production. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 140, 600 AD: You have constructed a Granary in Wheat. Work has now begun on a Forge.
Turn 140, 600 AD: Barbarian's Galley (2.00) vs Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) (3.20)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Combat Odds: 4.4%
Turn 140, 600 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 140, 600 AD: (Class Defense: +50%)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 140, 600 AD: Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) has defeated Barbarian's Galley!

Turn 141, 620 AD: Confucianism has spread in Paris.
Turn 141, 620 AD: Olmec (Barbarian) has been captured by the Egyptian Empire!!!
Turn 141, 620 AD: Barbarian's Galley (1.93) vs Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) (2.24)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Combat Odds: 28.6%
Turn 141, 620 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 141, 620 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 141, 620 AD: (Class Defense: +50%)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 22 (66/100HP)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 22 (44/100HP)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 22 (22/100HP)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) is hit for 17 (53/100HP)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 141, 620 AD: Louis XIV's Trireme 4 (GP Farm) has defeated Barbarian's Galley!

Turn 142, 640 AD: Paris can hurry Buddhist Missionary for 1⇴ with 15ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 15 turns.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Production has grown to size 9.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Commerce will become unhealthy on the next turn.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Clams has grown to size 8.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Clams can hurry Crossbowman for 1⇴ with 19ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 23 turns.
Turn 142, 640 AD: West Fish has grown to size 6.
Turn 142, 640 AD: West Fish can hurry Courthouse for 3⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 25 turns.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Barb City has grown to size 8.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Barb City can hurry Barracks for 1⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 32 turns.
Turn 142, 640 AD: West Coast Silk has grown to size 4.
Turn 142, 640 AD: West Coast Silk can hurry Courthouse for 2⇴ with 28ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 15 turns.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Zhou.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Commerce will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 142, 640 AD: Wheat will grow to size 2 on the next turn.

Turn 143, 660 AD: Commerce has grown to size 12.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Commerce has become unhealthy.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Zhou can hurry Moai Statues for 2⇴ with 21ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 20 turns.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Wheat has grown to size 2.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Wheat can hurry Forge for 1⇴ with 30ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Ramesses II will trade Construction
Turn 143, 660 AD: Ramesses II has 100 gold available for trade.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Hammurabi has 6 gold per turn available for trade.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Saladin has 5 gold per turn available for trade.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Ramesses II is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Hammurabi is the worst enemy of Saladin.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Ramesses II.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Ramesses II will trade Construction
Turn 143, 660 AD: Hammurabi will trade Construction
Turn 143, 660 AD: Brennus will trade Construction, Horseback Riding
Turn 143, 660 AD: Brennus will trade Spices
Turn 143, 660 AD: Will Sign Open Borders: Hammurabi, Sitting Bull
Turn 143, 660 AD: Paris will grow to size 10 on the next turn.
Turn 143, 660 AD: GP Farm will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 143, 660 AD: You have discovered Astronomy!
Turn 143, 660 AD: The Colossus has been built in a far away land!
Turn 143, 660 AD: Brennus has founded Bagacum in a distant land.
Turn 143, 660 AD: Buddhism has spread in Durocortorum.

Turn 144, 680 AD: Paris has grown to size 10.
Turn 144, 680 AD: GP Farm has grown to size 8.
Turn 144, 680 AD: West Coast Silk can hurry Lighthouse for 1⇴ with 21ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 23 turns.
Turn 144, 680 AD: Brennus has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 144, 680 AD: Hammurabi will trade Cow, Crab, Rice
Turn 144, 680 AD: Sitting Bull will trade Cow, Rice


The round went almost exactly as planned. We managed to perfectly time meeting the AIs and finishing Astronomy. The tech pace looks good. The neighbors look reasonable. We're about to start a war. Brennus settled a new city in Clams' face. We're a turn away from a Great Person. And things are getting super exciting!

The only things that happened in the round:

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And despite those being the only things it still took nearly three hours! :lol:

The tech situation with the slider at 100%

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The cities:

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Should I leave the xbows in the queue for a revolt into wartime civics. Or should we produce some units with only 3xp?

Diplo Situation:

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Trade opportunities as follows:

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So it doesn't look like we have to be too worried about the other continent being behind! Indeed Qin looks to be in a pretty good place. Although we should soon catch him up.
 
Cool.

Hammurrabi & Qin both have 10 cities, SB & Saladin have 8. So, there are 36 TR's to be had. Any city that has a harbor will get minimum +4, otherwise it will be +3.

The only relationship problem over there is that Saladin hates Hammu. I still think we should butter Saladin up with a tech, then OB with him. Do him first.

Then repeat with all other AI.

Saladin will no doubt make demands that we stop trading, the answer will always be NO.


edit: Qin has CS & Philo!!!!!

edit2: I have to do some work now, but we look great, and Brennus has neither MC or Monarchy yet... woot. He will have HA's, but a few spears will protect our stacks.
 
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