FFH -- We don't betray or kill all of our allies

Checked the game more carefully.
If we fire a GA now we could just about get to Taxation before the GA finishes. Also, Lakis could spawn a GP before the GA ends while Thariss could build TGL and have a head start for another great person. With a little luck we'll have two different GPs and can fire a second GA soon afterwards. If we end up with two Sages, we can always bulb into Arcane Lore instead.

Also: please get into the habit of cycling through all our cities every turn and checking what they're doing. Some of our cities were working silly tiles. (Say Innsmouth wasn't working the two pirate coves which it should have been switched to right after you killed Auric.)
Also check which cities need worker improvements, blooms etc urgently. Some of the cities are working unimproved tiles while there are workers building improvement number 14 in a city with 6 pop. That really isn't necessary.

I'm sorry I did not have the autosave from the invasion still.

Folket said:

I'm sorry I did not have the autosave from the invasion still.

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No problem. So how to deal with our GP issues?

I can't see the tech costs right now.

We have taxation, code of law and mathematics that will give us very good benefit.

Sorcery, that would be the priority military tech. I think it is way better then getting elemtalism.

Deception that is the only race we would be intrested in.

Personally I prefer going for deception then mathematics. If we get the nox noctis we can build the bazzar of Mammon in the same city and generate immense amount of gold. The invisibility is also very strong making any ljosalfar invasion doomed to fail.

At the moment I think code of laws has a better return as most of our cities do not have towns yet.

btw, give our hero only the drill promotions now. We want him to get blitz.

Folket said:

I can't see the tech costs right now.

We have taxation, code of law and mathematics that will give us very good benefit.

Sorcery, that would be the priority military tech. I think it is way better then getting elemtalism.

Deception that is the only race we would be intrested in.

Personally I prefer going for deception then mathematics. If we get the nox noctis we can build the bazzar of Mammon in the same city and generate immense amount of gold. The invisibility is also very strong making any ljosalfar invasion doomed to fail.

At the moment I think code of laws has a better return as most of our cities do not have towns yet.

btw, give our hero only the drill promotions now. We want him to get blitz.

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I'm absolutely against wasting a prophet on a shrine now. Plus we don't want to run CoE anyway, so what's the use. As I said, it takes 30 gp to spread CoE in a single city and it will return 1 gpt without gold mutipliers so we'd be looking at a 60 turns return rate. That's too much. We'd be much better off taking the Song of Autumn. If we fire a golden age now or in the non too distant future we will get +1 and +1 for almost 3/4 of our current total population (not counting specs and the odd tiles without or ) for 12 turns plus we will be able to speed up our GPp generation so that we can create two GPp for the next golden age. We must snowball ahead as well as we can, otherwise we will lose this game. This game is about utilizing short term investments, Folket.

Most of our cities have villages which will profit from Taxation. Also, I'd like to tech Elementalism before Sorcery if possible to get the research bonus on Sorcery (every little thing helps and we want Water, Fire, Air anyway).

As for the technologies I think the two possible paths now are:
Code of Laws --> Currency --> Taxation
OR
Elementalism --> Sorcery and then worry about the economy.

I'd be for GA now and get Taxation to profit from the better cottages and to switch to Caste while in a GA. However, you are the ones who saw the Ljosie stacks. Will we need better military first or can we afford some economy techs? That was the original question.

As for the prophet it is going into a GA, and not a shrine, sorry. The shrine for a new religion will not return as much as a GA now until the end of the game. The question was, when to fire the GA?

I do not think it will matter much when we fire the GA. Better do it as soon as possible.

I think we should get Code of Laws --> Currency --> Taxation first.

OK. If you think it's safe let's go for it

One more thing: is switching to OO for 5 turns worth the unhappiness we will have in our cities?

Given this a thought before playing (being out of GoN will cause 6-7 unhappy guys in our main cities, so that's not really great, especially not in a GA).
Also, I forgot that Taxation also requires Maths, so we can't tech Taxation during a GA, but we can almost do it.
How about this: TGL (and National Epic) will be built in Gereth Minar (because this city is due next with a GP after Lakis and it has enough specialist slots).
We tech Code of Laws --> Currency (switch to Consumption) --> Maths (start installing Gambling Houses proactively in our high pop cities) --> Taxation. We spread OO around but do not switch to it yet. (Thariss, Nameless Tower and the like would starve 1 pop / turn during those 5 turns, and we must spend at least 5 turns with OO.) Lakis will spawn a GP during the first GA and Gereth Minar will have a head start into the second, especially with TGL done (which it sould be able to build during the GA). In the next GA we could then switch to OO and Caste. This is a bit risky as we could end up with two sages or two prophets but maybe worth trying. It will delay the switch into Caste a bit after getting Taxation but not by much. Also: as soon as we have gambling houses in our cities the 5 turns in OO won't matter. We can even bank gold during those 5 turns if our cities would be unhappy otherwise.

Sounds fine.

I think we are winning this game now. Once we have 4 cultists we can just raze most ljosalfar cities and farm their armies for XP in the coastal cities.

Folket said:

Sounds fine.

I think we are winning this game now. Once we have 4 cultists we can just raze most ljosalfar cities and farm their armies for XP in the coastal cities.

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So are you OK with switching to OO during the second golden age? It would be a bit better for our population. And hopefully we don't get two identical GPs.

Yes, I'm ok with that.

Folket said:

Yes, I'm ok with that.

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Great Will play when I get home from work (busy Friday as usual... )

Forgot about calculating in stupid Masonry. We of course can’t use marble before we have it, so I teched it first. (Therefore the failgold in Nameless Tower won’t be that great.)

For the first time in a long while we’re at peace with everybody

T287 We fire our Golden Age.

T288 Arendel completes the Pillar of Chains.

T290 Amelanchier completes the Mercurian Gate. We’re at war with Basium. Divine Retribution is cast.

T291 Yet another idiot who adopts Republic.

I think Garrim will lose this city…



T292 …and indeed he does. Plus he’s a stupid moron, still stacking units in the city next to us.

Order founded in a distant land.

An event enables us to make peace with the Ljosies so we go ahead and do it. OBed with them and sold stuff to Amelanchier, gifted him gold and sold him some more stuff. Please cancel the gold gifts but not the resource trades on T302. (Unless Arendel DoWs. We’re her worst enemies )

T293 Currency in, we adopt Consumption. Arendel adopts Theo.

T294 TGL in. (Hey, our first self-built wonder!)

T296 Arendel creates Yvain.

T297 Arendel completes the Genesis.

Todos for the next TS:

Next GP in next turn. If it’s anything else but a sage Gereth Minar has to be focused on sages. Otherwise it should be fine as it is. (Laris should probably drop some specs and grow afterwards.)

I’d say we tech Warfare after Taxation before Elementalism, we might need the National Epic in Gereth Minar for a fast GA (alternatively in Thariss for faster sages afterwards). Plus CR is always useful.

Already queued in Gambling Houses in the bigger cities.

Try to build Libraries wherever you like, and run sages unless there are good tiles to use.

Don’t forget to cancel the gold gift to Amelanchier.

Started on courthouses in some cities. Summer Palace could be queued in somewhere (maybe Laris, it shouldn’t build units anyway).

Please stop giving Drill to our units. Blitz is useless if they can’t kill sh%t. The Ljosies have paladins, druids, rangers, high priests, treants, beastmasters. Especially Alazkan needs Heroic Strength I – II, not Drill.

Please don’t build monuments in new cities. In fact, never build monuments as soon as you have other means to pop a city. (Not even in BtS where monuments are cheaper. Well, except if you’re CHA in BtS. )

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I'm not agreeing. Drill is ok and strong when you are stronger then your opponents. As for example assassins. Or experienced Hunter will soon upgrade to beastmasters. They are three relatively cheap techs away.

As for Alazkan I would rather have drill then heroic strength. Heroic strength is a weak promotion that can wait until we have blitz and mobility 2 on him.

Folket said:

This is a got it.

I'm not agreeing. Drill is ok and strong when you are stronger then your opponents. As for example assassins. Or experienced Hunter will soon upgrade to beastmasters. They are three relatively cheap techs away.

As for Alazkan I would rather have drill then heroic strength. Heroic strength is a weak promotion that can wait until we have blitz and mobility 2 on him.

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Well, even that is debatable, But we are not stronger. We don't even have collateral yet and they have all end game units. Please be reasonable. We won't have beastmasters for a while, not even rangers, anyway. We want to have Sorcery before Animal Handling, for coll.

I agree, sorcery will come before animal handling, but after sorcery I think beelining for beastmaster is a good idea.

As for assassins they will fight enemies weaker them themself. Specially Alazkan.

Folket said:

I agree, sorcery will come before animal handling, but after sorcery I think beelining for beastmaster is a good idea.

As for assassins they will fight enemies weaker them themself. Specially Alazkan.

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Then they will kill those tons of tigers. All other Ljosie units are stronger than them and we want them to die as well, so they will have to fight stronger units than them. Please stop giving them drill.

Folket? Do you have a PPP?

I'm sorry, I was planing to plan it on monday, but I was feeling sick. And other days I have been busy.

To night I should have time to plan.

I have been thinking that we should intervene in the Luchierp war. Either to just conquer everything or to kick Ljosalfar of the continent.