Seon
Not An Evil Liar
... Or you could, you know, leave them alone.
ImmacuNES VI: Dreams and Legends
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Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
OOC: God damn it, my neighbours are Vietnamese Lizardmen.
Considering burning the forests. I have no use for them anyways. Diplo stuff inbound.
Considering burning the forests. I have no use for them anyways. Diplo stuff inbound.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
I could, I suppose.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Give peace a chance!
An interesting notion.
From Danaan Wisemen
To Celestian Priesthood
On the nature of the Goddess.
Greetings, northern neighbours.
As you are certainly aware, our people worship the Goddess. She is the patron of the danaans, and the divinity of fertility. She is the one who ripens the crops and made animals breed so much faster than danaans in order for us to have bountiful game forever.
Your people worship a goddess too, but your ways are different, and so are your beliefs.
We feel the need to understand whether your deity is another aspect of the Goddess, or whether she is a different god. Our Goddess has many faces. She is the bringer of life and she is also a goddess of war. We are trying to ascertain whether you worship the Goddess in Her aspect of 'goddess of the northern lake' or whether that is a different deity.
We must meet and clear up these matters as contact between our peoples is constantly growing.
OOC:
This summarizes as:
-Can the celestian goddess be considered the same as the danaan goddess?
-Are they definitely different deities?
-Do you need more time to sort out the question (as in not answering before we write orders)?
To Celestian Priesthood
On the nature of the Goddess.
Greetings, northern neighbours.
As you are certainly aware, our people worship the Goddess. She is the patron of the danaans, and the divinity of fertility. She is the one who ripens the crops and made animals breed so much faster than danaans in order for us to have bountiful game forever.
Your people worship a goddess too, but your ways are different, and so are your beliefs.
We feel the need to understand whether your deity is another aspect of the Goddess, or whether she is a different god. Our Goddess has many faces. She is the bringer of life and she is also a goddess of war. We are trying to ascertain whether you worship the Goddess in Her aspect of 'goddess of the northern lake' or whether that is a different deity.
We must meet and clear up these matters as contact between our peoples is constantly growing.
OOC:
This summarizes as:
-Can the celestian goddess be considered the same as the danaan goddess?
-Are they definitely different deities?
-Do you need more time to sort out the question (as in not answering before we write orders)?
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
To Danaan Wiseman
A Celestian Missionary
Well met.
Long time before the Goddess came to Earth, the race of Men were clad in a sinful darkness. Men killed other men for the sake of wealth and destroyed lives for no reason but his own pleasure.
Our Goddess saw this in her endless travels on the sky and was sickened. She fell from heavens and into the mountains. She fell so hard that it created the Sacred Lakes and killed the sinners through a wall of flames.
To the Virtuous who lived, she provided a gift. We were touched by the flames, turning our hairs red and our powers immense. She brought us light and saved us from our eternal darkness.
You have been blessed by the Goddess as well. She is the one who ripens your crops and allows the animals to live. Look to the sky, is there not a great light during the day?
-OOC: TL;DR
-Yes
-Don't really know the answer myself.
-No.
They were seven danaans sitting cross-legged in the stone clearing.
King Eochaid was the first to speak:
"The Celestians say that their goddess is the same as ours. I have summoned you who know the lore of old in order to sort this out. Are they saying the truth? Or are they trying to mislead us?"
A crone with a hunched back answered. She wore a pale undied wool tunic, and her hair was partly white, an uncommon sight among even the most aged danaans. Her name was Bristeis, and her voice croaked like a raven's, for she was the eldest of her people, no longer counting the centuries of her life.
"The Goddess has always existed. Celestians say she came to earth after men existed. To me this is nonsense. She has always been here, and She is everywhere. Celestians either don't make sense or their goddess is a young one with nothing in common with ours."
The third to speak was a bald man wearing no cloth but covered in mud. His name was Tuan the ancient.
"Whether they make sense or not is not the point. They believe in a goddess that gave them magic powers. They see her in their lake and in the sky or stars, or the sun, too. She is indeed everywhere although they seem to insist she is somewhere. I think they haven't grasped, or are unable to enounce, the fact that the Goddess is everywhere at once. I believe they worhsip Her. It is just their way of worshipping that is warped."
The fourth speaker was a woman of tremendous beauty whose blonde hair fell around her as the petals of a flower as she sat upon a large flat stone. She was Dôn, and humans who saw her would have mistaken her for a young lady when in fact she was the mother of the High King.
"The celestians magic is powerful, and it comes from their goddess. There is little doubt that only our own Goddess can provide such gifts to such short-lived people. My son, I think there is no doubt about us worshipping the same deity."
The woman next to Dôn answered her. She was a red-haired woman with a missing eye, and was known as Huatach the huntress.
"She may be the same, but the short-lives speak of a lot of things about her that make no sense at all. They speak of sins, which is something no danaan has yet begun to understand. We believe it's some kind of geas, but the red priestesses are unable to explain what it is without rambling for hours. In their eyes, combat doesn't seem to be a religious thing. My javelins always fly true because I can see more with that single eye than most can with two, sobear my words. What I see when I look at the Celestians is game terrified by the scent of a predator. They fear us and they try to warp their already warped religion in order to convince us they worship the real goddess when in fact they are simply a bunch of superstitious people who know little of the world around them. They want us to think the Goddess hates bloody raids simply because they fear we would raid them. That's all there is to say about their beliefs."
The sixth danaan sitting there nodded energetically as Huatach finished her sentence. This large man didn't peep a word, for he was Teangalin the mute, whose geas forbid him to speak. He was very old, however, second only to Bristeis in age, and Eochaid valued his wisdom as much as he despaired about the difficulty of obtaining his advice.
The last woman in the circle finally spoke as Eochaid prompted her. She was so fat that her legs could hardly be seen below the folds of her belly. She was called Erevin once-thin and her voice was like music to the ears.
"The Goddess is everywhere. She is the most powerful being that exists. We know Her, and we know that She relishes in the display of skills our fighters show every year. Celestians worship a goddess who is the most powerful being that exists, so both goddesses must be the same. Their stories of her falling down a lake or not being here for a time we can discard easily. The short-lives die so fast that they don't have time to pass tales accurately from one generation to the next. Their elders never teach anything to their great-grandchildren because they are dead long before they could. They breed so fast that they can't spend enough time with each of their children to teach them the ways correctly. So certainly they learnt about the Goddess, and maybe She did manifest Herself in a grand show of fire to kill the enemies of the Celestians a long time ago. But since this time, celestians have passed the story to one generation to the next, distorting it slightly every time. With no elder to correct the youth, the traditional stories have become fantasies and today the celestian religion is a grotesque distortion of the truth in which only the most important remained: There is one Goddess, and She is the bringer of life. I think that is all we need to know. Celestians worship our Goddess, but the details of Her worship they got wrong because they live too fast to pass on the truth to their great-grandchildren."
King Eochaid was the first to speak:
"The Celestians say that their goddess is the same as ours. I have summoned you who know the lore of old in order to sort this out. Are they saying the truth? Or are they trying to mislead us?"
A crone with a hunched back answered. She wore a pale undied wool tunic, and her hair was partly white, an uncommon sight among even the most aged danaans. Her name was Bristeis, and her voice croaked like a raven's, for she was the eldest of her people, no longer counting the centuries of her life.
"The Goddess has always existed. Celestians say she came to earth after men existed. To me this is nonsense. She has always been here, and She is everywhere. Celestians either don't make sense or their goddess is a young one with nothing in common with ours."
The third to speak was a bald man wearing no cloth but covered in mud. His name was Tuan the ancient.
"Whether they make sense or not is not the point. They believe in a goddess that gave them magic powers. They see her in their lake and in the sky or stars, or the sun, too. She is indeed everywhere although they seem to insist she is somewhere. I think they haven't grasped, or are unable to enounce, the fact that the Goddess is everywhere at once. I believe they worhsip Her. It is just their way of worshipping that is warped."
The fourth speaker was a woman of tremendous beauty whose blonde hair fell around her as the petals of a flower as she sat upon a large flat stone. She was Dôn, and humans who saw her would have mistaken her for a young lady when in fact she was the mother of the High King.
"The celestians magic is powerful, and it comes from their goddess. There is little doubt that only our own Goddess can provide such gifts to such short-lived people. My son, I think there is no doubt about us worshipping the same deity."
The woman next to Dôn answered her. She was a red-haired woman with a missing eye, and was known as Huatach the huntress.
"She may be the same, but the short-lives speak of a lot of things about her that make no sense at all. They speak of sins, which is something no danaan has yet begun to understand. We believe it's some kind of geas, but the red priestesses are unable to explain what it is without rambling for hours. In their eyes, combat doesn't seem to be a religious thing. My javelins always fly true because I can see more with that single eye than most can with two, sobear my words. What I see when I look at the Celestians is game terrified by the scent of a predator. They fear us and they try to warp their already warped religion in order to convince us they worship the real goddess when in fact they are simply a bunch of superstitious people who know little of the world around them. They want us to think the Goddess hates bloody raids simply because they fear we would raid them. That's all there is to say about their beliefs."
The sixth danaan sitting there nodded energetically as Huatach finished her sentence. This large man didn't peep a word, for he was Teangalin the mute, whose geas forbid him to speak. He was very old, however, second only to Bristeis in age, and Eochaid valued his wisdom as much as he despaired about the difficulty of obtaining his advice.
The last woman in the circle finally spoke as Eochaid prompted her. She was so fat that her legs could hardly be seen below the folds of her belly. She was called Erevin once-thin and her voice was like music to the ears.
"The Goddess is everywhere. She is the most powerful being that exists. We know Her, and we know that She relishes in the display of skills our fighters show every year. Celestians worship a goddess who is the most powerful being that exists, so both goddesses must be the same. Their stories of her falling down a lake or not being here for a time we can discard easily. The short-lives die so fast that they don't have time to pass tales accurately from one generation to the next. Their elders never teach anything to their great-grandchildren because they are dead long before they could. They breed so fast that they can't spend enough time with each of their children to teach them the ways correctly. So certainly they learnt about the Goddess, and maybe She did manifest Herself in a grand show of fire to kill the enemies of the Celestians a long time ago. But since this time, celestians have passed the story to one generation to the next, distorting it slightly every time. With no elder to correct the youth, the traditional stories have become fantasies and today the celestian religion is a grotesque distortion of the truth in which only the most important remained: There is one Goddess, and She is the bringer of life. I think that is all we need to know. Celestians worship our Goddess, but the details of Her worship they got wrong because they live too fast to pass on the truth to their great-grandchildren."
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Spoiler tululu :
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Not really.
The emotion that the King expresses towards the Danaans is not hatred per se, but rather disdain. The difference is that he really doesn't care as long as he isn't bothered.
The opinion held by the King is only his opinion. Many others in the Celestian Kingdom are much more accepting/interested in other cultures. Then again many do share his opinion as well.
The emotion that the King expresses towards the Danaans is not hatred per se, but rather disdain. The difference is that he really doesn't care as long as he isn't bothered.
The opinion held by the King is only his opinion. Many others in the Celestian Kingdom are much more accepting/interested in other cultures. Then again many do share his opinion as well.
Erevin-once-thin had finally reached the Celestian lands.
The trip had not been easy for the old woman, but she had answered the Red's invite to come and discuss the ntureof the Goddess.
Walking for so long had been a pain, and the big danaan looked forward to some endeavors of the mind for a change.
This is the talk Erevin gave to the celestian priesthood explaining danaan beliefs:
"We worship the Goddess because She brings us life. She is the source of life everywhere in the world. She brings fertility to the land, sprouts from seeds and plants from sprouts. She brings eggs to birds and fish to rivers. She brings children to men and animals.
As the source of all that lives, She is everywhere life is. She is not in the sun or the lake. She is both in the sun and the lake, and the rivers and the trees. She is in the wind with the birds and the sea with the fish.
The Goddess created life for its beauty and its strength. A tree's roots are so strong they can hold earth under it that would otherwise have fallen into a river. It's the strength of the tree that shapes the river course. Life is stronger than matter. Even a small mole can tear through the soil.
But life is also a contest. Animals hunt and run away to survive. The Goddess favors the strong and the bold.
This is why we worship her by organising ritual contests. Everyone participates in the contest in a way or another. We all thrive to show the Goddess we can do things no other can, and we try to be the best in every domain. Hunting was long the most important activity for us, so hunting and fighting are the oldest activities and those most praised by the Goddess. Killing game, chasing a hostile bear or wolf away, have always been vital skills for danaans. Our fights teach us to be better at fighting, but they aren't as bloody as you might fear. First of all, we danaans are tougher than even bears or boars. Second, the losers yield before they suffer too serious a wound. When serious wounds happen, our healers use their skills and try to save the life brought us by the Goddess, for their craft is one of the holiest in Her eyes.
Today, the most important event of the contest is that of wrestling. It's a pure show of strength, both physical and mental, as contestants use their muscles to try to put down their opponent, and use their mind magic to force him to surrender.
But the contests also include duels of art, of songs and music. And although there is no winner in these categories, all of our cooks and brewers participate and provide the best they can during these days.
There is much more to say about the Ritual Battle, but I shall not drown you in words. Let me explain you something you don't have, or something you have without realising it.
I am talking about geasa. We have been blessed with magical powers. Our geasa help us bring forth this magic, but they are more than just magic shaping interdictions. They are also a way for our elders to shape the society and new generations. The King has authority over all, but he can't force people to abide by the law when he is not there. Geasa must be abided lest one lose one's magic. Some of you showed puzzlement at this tradition of ours. But we are as perplex at your own traditions. You have geasa, upon your whole people. There are things that you are forbidden to do. You call them sins or laws. The difference between our way and yours is that you all share the same geasa, so you don't even realise they exist, whereas each of us has their own set, suited to them based on the vision of their Goddess-father. The difference is that you expect the Goddess or your king to punish the sinners, while breaking our geasa immediately brings a curse. You lack the magic for geasa to work as a deterrant, seeing that only some of your people are magic wielders, so your ways are different.
The trip had not been easy for the old woman, but she had answered the Red's invite to come and discuss the ntureof the Goddess.
Walking for so long had been a pain, and the big danaan looked forward to some endeavors of the mind for a change.
Spoiler :
This is the talk Erevin gave to the celestian priesthood explaining danaan beliefs:
"We worship the Goddess because She brings us life. She is the source of life everywhere in the world. She brings fertility to the land, sprouts from seeds and plants from sprouts. She brings eggs to birds and fish to rivers. She brings children to men and animals.
As the source of all that lives, She is everywhere life is. She is not in the sun or the lake. She is both in the sun and the lake, and the rivers and the trees. She is in the wind with the birds and the sea with the fish.
The Goddess created life for its beauty and its strength. A tree's roots are so strong they can hold earth under it that would otherwise have fallen into a river. It's the strength of the tree that shapes the river course. Life is stronger than matter. Even a small mole can tear through the soil.
But life is also a contest. Animals hunt and run away to survive. The Goddess favors the strong and the bold.
This is why we worship her by organising ritual contests. Everyone participates in the contest in a way or another. We all thrive to show the Goddess we can do things no other can, and we try to be the best in every domain. Hunting was long the most important activity for us, so hunting and fighting are the oldest activities and those most praised by the Goddess. Killing game, chasing a hostile bear or wolf away, have always been vital skills for danaans. Our fights teach us to be better at fighting, but they aren't as bloody as you might fear. First of all, we danaans are tougher than even bears or boars. Second, the losers yield before they suffer too serious a wound. When serious wounds happen, our healers use their skills and try to save the life brought us by the Goddess, for their craft is one of the holiest in Her eyes.
Today, the most important event of the contest is that of wrestling. It's a pure show of strength, both physical and mental, as contestants use their muscles to try to put down their opponent, and use their mind magic to force him to surrender.
But the contests also include duels of art, of songs and music. And although there is no winner in these categories, all of our cooks and brewers participate and provide the best they can during these days.
There is much more to say about the Ritual Battle, but I shall not drown you in words. Let me explain you something you don't have, or something you have without realising it.
I am talking about geasa. We have been blessed with magical powers. Our geasa help us bring forth this magic, but they are more than just magic shaping interdictions. They are also a way for our elders to shape the society and new generations. The King has authority over all, but he can't force people to abide by the law when he is not there. Geasa must be abided lest one lose one's magic. Some of you showed puzzlement at this tradition of ours. But we are as perplex at your own traditions. You have geasa, upon your whole people. There are things that you are forbidden to do. You call them sins or laws. The difference between our way and yours is that you all share the same geasa, so you don't even realise they exist, whereas each of us has their own set, suited to them based on the vision of their Goddess-father. The difference is that you expect the Goddess or your king to punish the sinners, while breaking our geasa immediately brings a curse. You lack the magic for geasa to work as a deterrant, seeing that only some of your people are magic wielders, so your ways are different.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Goddamnit I forgot to link stories again in my orders.
Disregard order I just sent you Immac.
Disregard order I just sent you Immac.
Immaculate
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k- i am still missing MANY orders. get those orders in people. Also adrialixtla and taenar elves will be NPCed unless i get orders in. And that would be a major shame because those are dam cool nations.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Weren't they due Thursday?
Immaculate
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Orders Due Thursday April 25th, 2013, in 1 Day, 20 Hours, 55 Minutes, 48 seconds from now.
EDIT: so yeah- lots of time left but usually i have lots of orders in by tuesday and i am worried- worried!!!!
EDIT: so yeah- lots of time left but usually i have lots of orders in by tuesday and i am worried- worried!!!!
To: Meatbags
From: Ixii
Oh, has your honor been sated by killing our babies? Do your bards sing noble songs of using blood magic to kill women and children? Are your warriors telling tall tales of that one time they crushed a nursery?
If you had historians, you could ask them about who is the aggressor here, but you are barbarians with no sense of time. We have never attacked you, we have only defended our lands. If you choose not to attack us, good - perhaps you are civilized after all. Someday you may even earn your title of Mukakai. But if you think we will be gracious for your halfhearted promise to not attack us "for a while", you are gravely mistaken.
To: Ghul
From: Ixii
Greetings, Ghul sea-dwellers. We are Ixii, of the land and hills. We bear you no ill-will, and would have peace if you are willing. There could be much to learn and trade between our peoples.
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