Yes, and nobody was in the habit of putting anybody on trial for actions taken in a war at the time. The Entente didn't even manage to try Wilhelm after the war. "Should" was a moral statement, not a legal one and not one based on what could plausibly occurred.Humanity didn't have any rights in war until 1948. The Geneva Conventions in place at 1914 only covered "Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field" and "Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea" (1906).
And also killed 148 of them. Warfare between Greek city-states was usually not a very large scale warfare.
Sphacteria is a good example of light and mobile infantry (peltasts) defeating heavy and less mobile (hoplites).
If I recall correctly, there was one more similar battle, where peltasts defeated Spartan hoplites.
Yes, the Battle of Sphakteria was unusually small by Greek standards, because it was more or less the 'clean-up' from the Battle of Pylos a few months before, a medium-sized naval battle that ended with the Spartans in question holed up on Sphakteria taking refuge from the Athenian fleet.I doubt that peltasts alone defeated that small regiment of Spartans, which only played a role due to having a number of Homioi which Spartans had to think of due to many reasons. Athens had clear naval superiority at the time, and Sphakteria is a tiny island that seemed to be heavily forested during the Peloponnesian war.
People point to the use of lightly armed troops and missile units during this battle by Demosthenes, the Athenian general, as indicative of a continuum of development in warfare. Demosthenes, it is said, honed Greek light infantry tactics during the Aitolian campaign in 426, then deployed them to perfection against the Spartans on Sphakteria the following year. Following from his example, the later Athenian general Isokrates then used light infantry to great effect against a Spartan mora at the Nemea during the early stages of the Korinthian War three decades later; Isokrates, Iason of Pherai, and eventually Philippos II developed Greek missile infantry to the level that they would take in the Makedonian syntagma during the campaigns of Alexander.
I think this explanation is awfully simplistic and teleological. Lightly armed troops were also notably scattered and crushed by unaided hoplites repeatedly during these wars. Unsupported peltasts or psiloi rarely achieved the sort of success that Isokrates found at the Nemea; Demosthenes had the success he did in Aitolia and Akarnania precisely because he operated in a rudimentary combined-arms framework. And Kyriakos is right: Demosthenes and Kleon also employed hoplites and enjoyed naval supremacy for the Battle of Sphakteria. They also may have benefited from a bizarre incident during which a scouting party accidentally burned the forest on the island down, revealing the Spartans' hiding spots. One doesn't need to resort to the missile infantry narrative to explain Athenian success on Sphakteria. They enjoyed such an overwhelming superiority that Spartan defeat was, if not preordained, extremely likely.
It wasn't Sphakteria; I don't think that anybody's positively identified the event the Spartans cited. For reference:Kyriakos said:Btw, i read that immediately after the AigosPotamoi, the captured Athenian sailors were (uncharacteristically, i suppose) put to death by the Spartans. I read they cited some earlier atrocity (of much smaller numbers) by Athenians against Sparta- was it related to Sphakteria?
Philokles' presence in the aftermath of Aigospotamoi makes it fairly unlikely that he served at Sphakteria, and there is no record in Thoukydides of the Athenians having committed any kind of atrocity there. Since the men sent overboard were from captured ships, it would have had to have been in the aftermath of Pylos, not Sphakteria, anyway. I think that it's more likely that the event in question took place during the campaign of Aigospotamoi, or perhaps even during the battle itself, rather than twenty years before.Xen. said:After this, Lysandros gathered the allies together and told them to consult about the fate of the prisoners. In that discussion, many accusations were made against the Athenians, both the many deeds they had already done that were contrary to custom and law, and the many resolutions they had passed in their Assembly concerning how they would treat their enemies if they had won the battle - in particular, the vote to cut off the right hands of those they captured. It was also noted that the Athenians, when they had captured a Korinthian and also an Andrian trireme, had thrown all the men on those ships overboard. (Philokles was the Athenian general who had sent those men to their deaths.)
Many other accusations were made against the Athenians, and it was finally decided to kill all those of the prisoners who were Athenians, with the exception of Adeimantos, who alone had attacked the decree in the Assembly about the cutting off of hands. He was, however, charged by some with betraying the ships. Philokles, who had thrown overboard the Korinthians and the Andrians, was first asked by Lysandros what he thought he deserved for have begun uncustomary and illegal actions against the Greeks, and then had his throat cut.
Nobody has denied that German atrocities did take place during the war. I openly acknowledged them with the reference to Louvain. But nothing the Germans did during the war compares with Britain's illegal blockade, a weapon explicitly designed by Britain's political and military leadership to attack Germany's civilian population. The only thing that comes close is Germany's U-boat campaign after 1917, but the damage the Germans inflicted during that year and a half pales in comparison to what the British did during the entirety of war and during the cease-fire. Over half a million German civilians died as a result of the blockade, and I defy you to find anything that the Kaiserreich did that stacks up to that.But, you see, there was peculiarly German Militarism...
I think we all recognize that the British and French uncritically accepted hearsay and unconfirmed rumors of the wildest sort as fact and used it all opportunistically as propoganda during the war. On the other hand, there are numerous actual documented cases of atrocities and war crimes - particularly in Belgium, Luxembourg and Northeastern France (Horne and Kramer, German Atrocities 1914: A History of Denial, Yale, 2001). I believe I'm fairly well informed and reasonably balanced on this issue. You, however, with your "horror of the blockade", seem to have slipped off into the opposite direction from your accusation against me.
Hun, as I'm sure you're aware, actually comes from the Kaiser's own lunatic speech to his troops leaving for China to fight the Boxer Rebellion in 1900.
" You must know, my men, that you are about to meet a crafty, well-armed, cruel foe! Meet him and beat him! Give him no quarter! Take no prisoners! Kill him when he falls into your hands! Even as, a thousand years ago, the Huns under their King Attila made such a name for themselves as still resounds in legend and fable, so may the name of Germans resound through Chinese history a thousand years from now..."
Bulow pleaded with William to tone it down; "Speeches such as this will be used by Germany's enemies to demonstrate that Germany is a land of barbarians."
And when German troops acted just this way in Belgium, the name Hun stuck - appropriately.
I suppose every country sucks to someone. But in my opinion, Germany's scheme to attack Russia - by invading Belgium and France - was just an azzhat thing to do.
The German atrocities in 1914 that you mention are more on a par with what the Russians did during their brief incursions into Galicia and East Prussia, in terms of scale and relevance. They're not even in the same league.
Unless rhetoric has become a war crime as well, I don't see what a speech made by one man fifteen years before the war on an entirely different subject has to do with the relative atrocities committed by the Entente and by the Central Powers during the war.
It's also nice that you mention how Germany violated Belgian neutrality without bringing up how Britain and France violated Greek neutrality, fomented a civil war on Greek soil, and fought a war on Greek territory until they had a puppet government that would accede to their wishes. And how you don't bring up the attempted Entente gang-rape of the Ottoman Empire in 1914. That, ah, stuff flows both ways. Even Germany's violation of Belgian neutrality was partially based on the entirely correct premise that if the Germans didn't do it first, the French and British would do it later. As it was, the British did violate Dutch neutrality during the Siege of Antwerp, but nobody cared, apparently.
And then, well, if we want to get into war guilt, we kind of have to start with Sergey Sazonov, Raymond Poincaré, and the "Period Preparatory to War". But, you know, that would require reading books by Albertini, or McMeekin, or Clark, not just eating up Tuchman's factually wrong depiction of the July Crisis.
This isn't an attempt to exculpate Germany for doing what it did, but rather to show that the Entente was no better, and that "a plague on both your houses!" is a more reasonable response to the Great War than a claim that a German victory would be materially worse than one by the Entente.