Éa, The Ageless and the Divine (phase 2, alpha)

Sezneg · Jan 3, 2014

BNW fixed it, and version 17 is a lot of fun.

Pazyryk · Jan 3, 2014

Sezneg said:
BNW fixed it, and version 17 is a lot of fun.

That's rather annoying since the mod disables BNW anyway. We had the reverse problem back in v15 (I think) when I didn't have BNW installed yet and some players did. I did track that down to some text code differences caused by simply having BNW installed but not activated.

I'm not going to troubleshoot this since I'm deep in phase 3 development (which absolutely requires BNW). If anyone out there is trying to play the mod now without BNW, let me know and I'll re-post v16.

Pazyryk · Jan 4, 2014

Here's some UI from the current phase 3 build. Still needs some work but I thought it was good enough to show off...

You can now view civilizations in the "Civilizations of Éa" screen. It has two tabs: "Available for your Race" and "In Play". Before you take a civ name you can easily reach this screen from a button in the upper right (see red arrow). That button goes away when you take a civ name, but you can still reach the screen from the pulldown menu (it's still somewhat useful because you can view the bonuses for other civs in the game or review your own). Mouseover gives you full civ info, including civ-specific quote.

And here's the new policy window with the civ-specific branch (after taking The Graeae):

Sezneg · Jan 4, 2014

So this means that turning down an initial name is in? I'm still acclimating to v17, do all naming events spawn a GP?

Pazyryk · Jan 4, 2014

Yes, you can decline, but only once (mouseover tells you that).

Most policy-triggered civs give you a founding GP, including all in all branches except Dominionism and Slavery. You would get a GP anyway when opening the first policy within these branches (all except Dominionism and Slavery), so in this case it is just your first GP which automatically becomes your first leader.

Most other civs don't have a founding GP (maybe 3 or 4 do).

BrokenSky · Jan 4, 2014

Pazyryk said:
80% Undead begin to spawn from old battlefields and city graveyards

Is this going to use mechanisc like archeology sites for added realism? and so more peaceful (or lucky

) civs get less undead?

Also screenshots look really excellent!

Pazyryk · Jan 4, 2014

BrokenSky said:
Is this going to use mechanisc like archeology sites for added realism? and so more peaceful (or lucky ) civs get less undead?

Yes. BNW actually places these sites based on real battles. They are technically "resources" that you don't see until the appropriate tech (which you will never gain in the mod). So I can exploit this system to keep track of "old battlefields". Cities will be assumed to have graveyards nearby, probably in proportion to their largest attained size.

Sezneg · Jan 4, 2014

Pazyryk said:
Yes. BNW actually places these sites based on real battles. They are technically "resources" that you don't see until the appropriate tech (which you will never gain in the mod). So I can exploit this system to keep track of "old battlefields". Cities will be assumed to have graveyards nearby, probably in proportion to their largest attained size.

That will give the smaller pantheistic cities a slight advantage.

Interested to see what we get for both theism and pantheism to combat the end times.

Pazyryk · Jan 4, 2014

Sezneg said:
Interested to see what we get for both theism and pantheism to combat the end times.

And arcane/non-religious and non-magic/non-religious civs. The latter one will have to do it by brute force, mostly. I guess I have to let workers clean up blight (until I can think of some better way for non-magic civs to deal with it).

Razadlac · Jan 5, 2014

Can't wait to play, looks awesome

Sezneg · Jan 5, 2014

Pazyryk said:
And arcane/non-religious and non-magic/non-religious civs. The latter one will have to do it by brute force, mostly. I guess I have to let workers clean up blight (until I can think of some better way for non-magic civs to deal with it).

Cleanse it with fire.

Set it to torch, removes all improvements but also clears blight. Works for anyone, regardless of religion/magic. Then better ways for those who have religion/magic.

Lplate · Jan 5, 2014

Sezneg said:
Cleanse it with fire.

Set it to torch, removes all improvements but also clears blight. Works for anyone, regardless of religion/magic. Then better ways for those who have religion/magic.

Isn't blight representing the damage to reality from the removal of magic (mana) from Ea rather than something that can be burned away?

It might be beyond mere workers, but a Great Engineer might be able to jury rig an area so that the tile is usable as normal by the civ, i.e. the world is still falling apart but the effects of blight are removed from the tile. It could be that the Engineer merely displaced the effect of the blight rather than curing the effect.

BrokenSky · Jan 5, 2014

What is blight supposed to be like exactly?
Is it like magical fallout where wizards used powerful spells which permanently scarred the land with dark magic, cursed forests, and mind bending world warp like sourcery in terry pratchet or chaos in warhammer/40k?
Is it like the effects of the world slowly dying spiritually and falling apart, or trying to lash out against the percieved threat?
Is it like a magical infection, more powerful than mundane disease?

If it is the first then sanctify with priests or cleanse with fire. Or both. Maybe at the same time!
If the second, then some form of communion or diplomacy with nature is the traditional response.
If the third, set up the best order of hospitals in the land and seek natural remedies?

these are by the way not original responses to the problems. (yes the third is the Grigori)

Pazyryk · Jan 6, 2014

Lplate said:
Isn't blight representing the damage to reality from the removal of magic (mana) from Ea rather than something that can be burned away?

Exactly. It's the absence of mana itself.

The cure involves replacing that somehow, not regenerating mana but getting it from elsewhere. Like spreading dirt around to cover a hole. It's hard to think of a non-magical way to do that. Perhaps workers are just moving stuff around (rocks and ordinary dirt have mana after all).

BrokenSky · Jan 6, 2014

maybe if you have crystaline deposits of pure magic, or a magic bearing ore, as a strategic resource it could be used for such perposes as making really good magical weapons and armour, tools and some form of improvement which negates the effect of blight?
-edit: like fertiliser-

Of course mining this stuff robs the world of some of its back up stored mana, so maybe each time you use this liquid-crystal-mana-stuff it takes a small chunk off the worldwide counter, making it a tempory solution. I guess only the magically advanced civilisations can stop the world mana count from falling.

Is there some way of mana recycling?
Heh.. guess this turned into a climate change idea
Reduce Reuse Reanimate. No wait forget that last one

Actually I do think the magical fallout thing.. scaring the land with magic would be nice, as a separate mechanic if necessary.

Sezneg · Jan 7, 2014

Pazyryk said:
Exactly. It's the absence of mana itself.

The cure involves replacing that somehow, not regenerating mana but getting it from elsewhere. Like spreading dirt around to cover a hole. It's hard to think of a non-magical way to do that. Perhaps workers are just moving stuff around (rocks and ordinary dirt have mana after all).

So they're piling new dirt/earth on top of the blight. Make it take several turns and destroy an adjacent improvement if all adjacent tiles are improved?

Pazyryk · Jan 7, 2014

Finally getting around to these...

Natural Wonders
The truly "natural" ones (all but two) represent the physical aspect of a Major Spirit of Éa. For Pantheistic civilizations, discovering one of these and meeting the god is one and the same thing. The two remaining natural wonders are associated with the Theistic divinity. All natural wonders give the standard +1 happiness for discovery (to all civilizations) except where noted. [Base Civ5 graphic indicated in brackets]

Associated with a Major Spirit of Éa. Pantheistic civilizations meet the respective god when discovering these and feel religious pressure toward the respective Cult in very near cities (after the particular cult is founded). Non-pantheistic civilizations get plot yields or resource bonus only, unless noted otherwise. Mana yields are available to any mana-using civilization (i.e., arcane or religious but not Azzandarayasna).

Mount Abnoab [Sri Pada] +3f2m. Pantheistic only: Nearby Recon units gain Animal Master promotion (allows capture of Animal Units). (Cult of Leaves)
Spring of Aveta [Fountain of Youth] +5f. Pantheistic only: Nearby units gain Aveta's Blessing promotion (+33% healing). (Cult of Pure Waters)
Borvo's Geyser [Old Faithful] +5m. Pantheistic only: Nearby Thaumaturges gain Borvo's Blessing (generates 2m/turn). (Cult of Pure Waters)
Lake Belisama [Lake Victoria] +2f2s2c. (Cult of Pure Waters)
Eldir's Volcano [Krakatoa] +6m. +1 Naphtha resource from every city within 10 plots with knowledge of Alchemy (Cult of Ægir)
Ritona's Rock [Rock of Gibraltar] +5m Pantheistic only: Nearby naval units gain Fair Winds promotion (+1 movement) (Cult of Ægir)
Lí Ban's Reef [Great Barrier Reef] +3f2m for each plot (Cult of Ægir)
Mount Erecura [Mount Fuji] +2p3g (Cult of Stone)
Mount Vosegus [Kilimanjaro] +2p3m (Cult of Stone)
Mount Nantosuelta [Mount Kailash] +2p3m (Cult of Stone)
Dis Pater's Vault [Cerro de Potosi] +5g, Gems. (Cult of Stone)
Mount Nergal [Mount Sinai] +5m. (Cult of Nergul)
Wadd's Rock [Uluru] No yield. Pantheistic only: Nearby units gain Wadd's Blessing (immunity to poison effects) (Cult of Nergul)
Abgal's Outcrop [Grand Mesa] No yield. Pantheistic only: Owning civilization gains +33% extended range for land trade routes. (Cult of Nergul)
Nesr's Bowl [Baringer Crater] No yield. No happiness for discovery. All nearby living units have -10% healing and -10 morale. (Cult of Nergul)

Associated with the Creator or Anti-Creator.

Pyramid of Azzandara [El Dorado]. Causes religious pressure for Azzandarayasna to all nearby cities after the religion has been founded. For Azzandarayasna followers only: +10 Divine Favor (plot yield) and +4 happiness. Adjacent combat units receive Azzandara's Blessing promotion (+15% combat/ranged attack, +15% healing).
Vault of Ahriman [King Solomon's Mines]. Causes 2 unhappiness when discovered. All nearby living units have -33% healing and -20 morale. All nearby cities have -10 health and -3 happiness. Causes religious pressure for Aŋra to all nearby cities after the religion has been founded. Fallen civilizations only: +10 mana (plot yield). Ahriman's Vault is always present and must be sealed as part of the Protector victory condition.

There are two more Pantheistic Cults listed above associated with Earth/Stone and Deserts (names are not final), together with 4 earth/stone gods and 4 desert gods.

Yields are lower than some of the stronger natural wonders in base Civ5. However, I've removed the restriction on placement near starting plots. So you will often see these near a starting plot.

There will be one specific civilization associated with each of these, with the civ-naming event being adoption/discovery of a policy/tech plus feature in 3-plot radius of your starting city.

Pazyryk · Jan 8, 2014

Here's a first glance at the new civ lineup. There is still a lot of missing stuff, and no attempt at balance yet, but these are almost all of the civs and trigger conditions you will see in initial Phase 3 release.

One thing new are civ quotes. I only have these for a couple civs (see: Úr, Kaza, O, The Graeae, Dökkálfar, Segoyim) so I could definitely use some help with these. Most will be short, though the UI can handle longer ones (as for The Graeae).

Spoiler :

Calavente · Jan 9, 2014

I didn't notice that archery's civ is Crécy ... nice touch

(I'm loving it, even as a French guy)...

is their second city azincourt ? and others locksley, sherwood or nottingham? another good one would be Uri or Altdorf (from William Tell)
I lack knowledge of battles dominated by the use of archery in china, india or japan... but I'm sure there are some. (all those propositions are joke....

)

well, those were some ramblings that just aimed to compliment you.

did you publish somewhere the names and effects of the "civ-specific policies" ?

Ninanski get "favored tech zymurgy" while being opened by zymurgy. if favoured tech apply to tech maintenance, no issue, otherwise there is no use to have this as favored tech.

it seems that Reynes (M; Aristocracy), Biarmaland (M; Guilds) Kaza (M; Civil Service) and Eóganachta (S; any policy within the Agrarianism branch)all have as Enabled Policies: Pastoralists, Animal Breeders, Agriculturalists, Millers. which is strange and seems thematic only with Eoganachta.. (IMO)

the civ "O" might be a typo for "Oz" ??? or not. your choice.

Pazyryk · Jan 9, 2014

Still working through policies. And I haven't added favored techs and enabled polices for all civs yet (got tired about half-way through).

Favored Techs affects knowledge maintenance for known techs, so the benefit continues even after you learn them.

You've never heard of the Kingdom of O?

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